"That awful boy" (Was: Comparing Lupin and Harry )

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 142882

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "spotsgal" <Nanagose at a...> 
wrote:
>
> > colebiancardi:
> > I'm wondering how old Lily was when she brought home this "nasty
> > boy"? Was she around 11 or 12? I cannot see her doing this at an
> > older age, after the pensive memory in OotP.
> 
> Christina:
> 
> How come?  I ask because when I envision a Snape-as-the-awful-boy 
> scenario, I've always seen it with the two of them well into their 
> teenage years.  I actually never considered the thought of Lily 
> having Snape over on long holidays either- I've always thought that 
> Snape came to Lily's house in some kind of distress.
> 

colebiancardi:
I just don't.  Because I do not buy into the theory that Snape & Lily 
ever had that type of friendship.  The reason why I put it at an 
younger age, is that younger children aren't so biased.  When one gets
into the teen years, appearances are everything.  And Snape would 
never, as friends with Lucius, et all, want to be associated with 
someone who he views as a mudblood.  And I don't think Lily would 
have been too friendly towards Snape after than pensive memory.  


> > colebiancardi:
> > Also, if she brought
> > Snape home over the holidays for a visit, don't you think that 
James
> > or Sirius would have noticed that? Hogwarts isn't a small school,
> > but James seems to have liked Lily for a while. In fact, if Lily,
> > as a Griffidor, had a close, friendly relationship with Snape, a
> > Slytherin, when they were first starting out at Hogwarts, wouldn't
> > that have been noticed?
> 
> Christina:
> 
> Yes, I'm sure they would have, which is one of the reasons I like 
the 
> idea so much.  I think it would actually explain a lot, 
particularly 
> in the "Why do Snape and James hate each other so much?" arena.  I 
> personally think that Lily and Snape were friends for a time, but 
I'd 
> even accept a scenario where they were just civil Potions partners 
or 
> something.  Wouldn't that make James just boiling with jealousy and 
> irritation, even if there was absolutely nothing going on?  I know 
> that some people find the reasons we've been given so far about the 
> James/Snape feud satisfactory, but I refuse to believe that James 
> loathed Snape just because he "hated the Dark Arts."  There must 
have 
> been other Slytherins to pick on- why Snape?

colebiancardi:
I think it was just because - Snape was not rich(as far as we can 
tell), he is ugly, greasy(even Sirius stated that Snape was a greasy 
git back in their school days), and into the dark arts openly.  Not
everything has to have some other motive.  I don't care for the Lily
theory and never will, even if Rowling uses it.  Why does Draco pick 
on Harry so much?  Is Draco in love with Hermione or Ginny?  I doubt 
it. He does it because he hates Harry, from day one.  That is how I 
view James and Snape's relationship - they hated each other on 
sight.  Pure and simple.  And we DO know that James & Sirius picked 
on other people - the detention records prove that.  


<big snip>

> I think that Snape is the most 
> likely choice for a lot of reasons (which I've hashed out 
completely 
> in the past), but primarily because we've got a lot to learn about 
> Lily and we've got a lot to learn about Snape, and if book seven 
> isn't going to be 900 pages long (not like I would mind if it was), 
> JKR has to find some ways to hit a *lot* of birds with relatively 
few 
> stones.

colebiancardi:
And quite frankly, she brings up this little gem of a theory, and
all the children in the world will go EWWWW as well as a lot of 
adults. It will also open up more questions that Rowling won't be 
able to answer in the last book, I am sure.  James is the awful boy, 
IMO - Petunia hates all wizards, so awful doesn't mean ugly or nasty 
or greasy - just that the boy was a wizard.  It makes more sense for 
Lily to be friendly with James in the 6 & 7th year, as James was 
cleaning up his act for her.  

> 
> Or we could all be wrong- maybe Lily had a little fling with 
Dedalus 
> Diggle back in the day :)
> 

colebiancardi:  Now THAT'S a thought :)