What saved Harry?
ornadv
ornawn at 013.net
Fri Nov 11 23:42:43 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 142912
>Jen: I read Riddle's thoughts upon learning Merope died as somewhat
>removed from any personal connection. Instead of perhaps
>internalizing his mom's death as being his fault, or externalizing
>it and blaming her, he chose instead to focus on the power of
magic,
>his obsession and downfall. His interpretation was that magic gives
>one the ultimate power to defeat even death, and therefore his mom
>could not be magical. Even if he was covering up for deep hurt (and
>by then I think his ability to feel such a thing was almost
>completely removed) it was buried quite far below any conscious
>thought.
Orna:
Agree. But exactly because it was buried so far below, he had no
means of dealing with it, and found himself enacting the mother-love
issue, instead of comfortably thinking it over in his saloon <g>.
>Jen: Oh, how I love this idea! Voldemort *would* have learned the
>power of love magic if it happened this way, a crack in his core
>belief that dark magic is always more powerful than love magic.
Orna:
I think he can have a crack, but fails to acknowledge it, and really
learn from it. It just leaves some inward trace in him. When Harry
talks to Riddle in CoS, Riddle gets the point, but immediately plays
it down. That's essentially Voldermort he is unable to learn from
experience, in this domain. So it might be possible, or even
probable, that he is shattered in a way, but fails to grasp the
point. He just goes back to "more of the same" meaning more
magic, more accurate hearing of the prophecy, perhaps more wand-
manipulation to prevent the priori incarnatem (I guess, that's why
Ollivander was kidnapped, perhaps), etc.
>Jen:
>And I take it you are saying there was a magical consequence for
that >as well? Perhaps some weakness that will help bring him down
later on?
Orna:
Haven't thought about it that far, but very happy to follow this
point. Thank you. And having bursts of loose ideas:
It makes room for some reasonable place, where Voldermort's
vulnerability can be located in himself. Can imagine some moment,
when confronted with himself being mortal, and something else which
has to connect somehow to this mother-love-issue, he will be in some
way vulnerable to death. I don't see him aware or able to accept
it, but I can see him less powerfully magic, or even unable to
enforce his magic like he got forgetful of this ancient magic,
like when in GoF he dueled with Harry, he looked afraid when the
connection was established. I'm sure JKR will have some colorful way
of putting it.
In Gof, there is some trace revealing, IMO. When Voldermort rises,
he tells Harry, that his father left his mother, when she told him
she was a witch. And then he says "
He left her
before I was ever
born, Potter, and she died
leaving me to be raised in a Muggle
orphanage
but I vowed to find him
I revenged myself upon him, that
fool who gave me his name
Tom Riddle "
That's a very emotional outburst, he's not devaluating his mother as
a witch, but stressing the abandonment (his mother's, his), and
nearly(?) saying that Riddle sr. was killed, not only because
Voldermort is ashamed of his muggle father, but as a revenge, for
leaving him to be raised in a muggle orphanage. You can focus on the
muggle, but the orphanage is mentioned, his father's (and mother's)
abandonment is said aloud. And more so he mentions his name as Tom
Riddle. (Quite a nice step towards mortality). No wonder, he gets
uncomfortable, and adds "Listen to me, reliving family history
Why,
I'm growing quite sentimental" and then he composes himself, and
turns to his "real family", the DE, as if detaching himself from
what he found himself saying.
I think it can go with the crack in his core belief theory, and with
magical consequences, beginning to show themselves.
>KJ writes:
>This is an interesting suggestion and may have something to do with
>the ending along with the fact that he is now sharing blood with
>Harry.
>This must have some kind of effect for Dumbledore to be pleased
over >it.
Orna:
I looked it up in GoF, and was struck by Voldermorts hunger (can't
think of a more appropriate word) to share Harry's mother. That's
how it jumped to my eyes, now. "I wanted the blood
for the
lingering protection his mother once gave him, would then reside in
my veins, too
"
As Dumbeldore said in the cave, it's very crude, and completely
misunderstanding the ways love enters the veins, but magically
speaking, Voldermort might "contaminate" his smooth power-
functioning in some way.
Feels like the more I look at it from this point of view, the less
powerful and more human (evil, but human) Voldermort becomes as an
entity. Perhaps the Weasly-twins got it right fighting Voldermort
with humor, might be also a way of mortalizing him.
Orna
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