Why not kill Lily?

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 142935

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "colebiancardi" <muellem at b...>
wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, zehms at a... wrote:
> >
> > colebiancardi wrote:  
> > If there was a Snape & Lily connection, why does DD tell Harry that
> the reason why Snape turned is not Harry's business to know?  I
> believe it was either in GoF or OotP.  Harry's parents ARE his
> business and any connections with his mother or father should 
> > be revealed to him.  
> > 
> > Maybe the reason why Voldemort stated to Harry that Lily need not 
> > have died is simple - he didn't need her death
> <big snip of my own post>
> 
> > At any rate, why would Voldemort want to reward or give favors to
> his DE's in the matter of "love"?  Regardless if Snape's feelings for
> Lily were platonic or sexual, it is love and Voldemort doesn't 
> > understand it, doesn't get it, and certainly(IMHO) wouldn't reward 
> > any of his DE's with it. just doesn't make sense.  Also, LV is a
> liar to boot.  Perhaps he was lying.  And Rowling is just throwing us
> nothing but a chicken bone :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Szehms Replies:
> > 
> > DD would not reveal Snape's reason for repentance because the reason
> is so deeply personal that DD feeld it is not he who should reveal it
> to Harry.  If Snape became a double agent for reasons related to his
> feelings towards Lily, this would be Snape's deepest secret and IMO DD
> would not, without Snape's approval, reveal something so personal
> about Snape to Harry. Remeber DD has great respect for Snape, and
> because I am of the opinion that Snape IS LOYAL to 
> > DD,  Snape appears to be DD's closest confidant (along with than
> Harry)  in HBP.  
> 
> colebiancardi: I agree with the last sentence, that Snape appears to
> be DD's closest confident.  However, DD does tell Harry that Snape
> felt remorse after James & Lily died - but that cannot be the reason.
>  Snape turned before they died.  So, if Snape's repentance is because
> he loved an already married woman with a small child, I don't know how
> DD would have taken that.  It is an extremely self-centered reason to
> turn.   What I mean by self-centered is that if that was the reason,
> Snape does not understand WHY Voldemort is the wrong side and he never
> will.  To join in with the Order of the Phoenix and spy because he has
> the hots for someone in the Phoenix who will never be his, is, well,
> sappy.  And then Lily dies.  What is keeping Snape at DD's side?  His
> girl is dead, his old master is gone - why not leave the Order? Others
> did....they rebanded at the end of GoF, but they went on with their
> lives.  
> 
> > 
> > Simply put as the story of Snape's repentance is not related to the
> Horcrux search and destroy mission, DD did not feel it was vital
> information to reveal to Harry, nor did he feel it was his place to
> reveal that information.
> > 
> 
> colebiancardi: Really?  If that is Snape's repentance, Harry needs to
> know that.  He needs to know that Snape DID care about someone in his
> family and why DD trusts him on this one so much.  At the end of HBP,
> Harry doesn't believe, as he misunderstood Dumbledore, that Snape was
> sorry about his parents death - Harry stated that Snape didn't think
> his mother was worth a damn.   DD knows about the fiasco the year
> earlier with Snape & Harry's lessons.  You would think, at this point,
> he would mention it to Harry, as he is now older and could have
> handled it.   Also, what I mean by misunderstood, Harry thinks that
> his parent's death is the reason for Snape's repentance, which we know
> isn't true - Snape turned prior to that event.
> 
> > Regarding 'Lily's choice' as unimportant:
> > 
> > Again I make this point, If her choice is unimportant why does JKR 
> > mysteriously refuse to answer this question?  LV HAS NEVER BEFORE
> allowed a victim the opportunity to walk away, and JKR tells fans she
> cannot reveal this answer...I think it is clear that there is indeed a
> revealing answer to this question 'Why let Lily live?' now IMO LV was
> manipulated by Snape.
> 
> colebiancardi:  JKR tells fans she cannot reveal the answer to A LOT
> of questions and theories.  She only debunks the ones she doesn't care
> for - like the Snape is a vampire one.  However, just because she
> doesn't confirm or deny a theory, doesn't mean she uses it.   Another
> poster had stated this fact as well.  JKR likes fans to speculate
> about theories.  Doesn't mean she thinks they are right or wrong. 
> 
> > 
> > I realize many fans WANT to believe Snape "is evil" and do not want
> to consider the complexity of his character (the perpetual red
> Herring, the anti-hero) therefore, they do not support the above
> opinions, but regardless of one's feelings about Snape, JKR's refusal
> to answer this important question and her directing fans to ask
> themselves "why let Lily Live" is too vital a clue to be 
> > overlooked-and IMO not just a chicken bone.
> 
> colebiancardi: Just to clarify - I am a DDM!Snape believer, I don't
> think he is evil in the sense that he is still loyal to Volemort.  I
> do consider the complexity of his character and one thing that is not
> complex for any character is a love-struck man who can't get over a
> woman who was married to his bete noire in school, had a child by that
> same man and died 16 years earlier.   I know that love is a powerful
> thing, but if this was it, the only reason why Snape turned, then he
> could just as easily be turned back to the *dark side* when Lily died.
>  There is nothing holding him to DD's side if that was the case.  This
> love-for-lily theory makes Snape more obsessive and creepy than he
> already is.  
> 
> JKR throws us chicken bones all the time.  I disregard this theory as
> I am not on any of the Snape loves Lily(whether it be platonic or
> romantic) ship.  It would be like stating, 20 years down the road,
> that Draco loved Ginny - if Ginny was dead & Draco became good again
> and no one was talking about those years at Hogwarts.  Why not?  Draco
> - misunderstood, evil.  Ginny - beautiful, popular, smart, everyone
> likes her.  Sound familar?  No?  Why - because we know more about
> these 2 characters & their non-existant relationship together than we
> do about Snape & Lily?  To sully up the waters with a wonderful love
> story of James & Lily with a torrid story of obsession - and it is
> obsession after 16 years - betweeen Snape & Lily is, well, for a lack
> of a better word, EWWW.
> 
> but, that is JMHO
> 
> colebiancardi
> (who would like Snape to turn for more noble reasons that unrequited
love)
>

Reposted as I forgot one more thing...

If Snape was the one who asked for Lily to be spared, how would Lily
take that if she had lived?  Her husband's life wasn't spared - and
Snape is supposed to be on the side of the Order.  She would have
hated Snape for that.  Snape got to pick & choose who HE wanted to
live?  Dumbledore would not approve of that, I think.  And no one has
addressed the fact that would LV even approve of such sappy,
sentimental crud as love coming from his DE?  And why would LV reward
Snape with such a boon?  Wouldn't LV worry that Snape could be turned
by Lily to the side of the good if she lived and was given to Snape?  

just some more thoughts....I deleted my original post, as I wanted to
include these ramblings in with my full post.

colebiancardi