Tower scene reactions about Snape; different sympathies
ornadv
ornawn at 013.net
Sat Nov 12 14:19:13 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 142936
>Elyse:
>I think this primary reaction is the determinant for the
>attachment we have towards the various DDM, OFH ESE Snape scenarios.
>If you felt that what Snape had done was because he was ordered to
>do or had no other choice, and sympathized with him, felt sorry for
>him, at that pivotal scene then I think one leans towards DDM!
Snape.
>I can't be sure of course; this is me making up a theory.
>On the other hand, if your primary reaction was that Snape's actions
>were a base betrayal (as they may very well be) and you were
>screaming for Snape's blood, and sympathizing with Harry more in
>that scene then I think one would lean towards an ESE!Snape
scenario.
>(Correct me if I'm wrong all you ESE!Snapers)
Orna:
I liked the way of looking at the scene through our primary
reaction.
My gut feelings were throughout the books, that Snape is GDDM =Grey
DDM meaning, that he is basically on the right side, but being a
tragically conflicted person . Mainly in not being able to connect
emotionally to anyone, being emotionally childish can't just make
him DDM. DD seems the closest person to him, at least in having
faith in him. But that's not much, because even he, is amused when
he sees Snape unsettled in PoA, and doesn't really help Snape out of
his solitude. It's in DD's nature this detachment, and is reflected
in the debate about DD's not helping enough Harry with the Dursleys.
Seeing Snape killing DD, I thought could I have been so completely
wrong, making a Dumbeldorish mistake not wanting to believe ESE? Is
this the reason I don't want to change my point of view? Because
some change has to be done I can't just digest killing an
alliance, or mentor deliberately as a moral thing even if it was
DD's request. But speaking personally, I would be very disappointed,
if all the tension and speculations about Snape, come to be ESE
Snape and me wrong all the way, or DDM Snape, and Harry wrong all
the way. I would expect something more sophisticated, making not
only Harry, but also us the readers change in some way.
For me HBP seems to seal Snape's fate as a tragic person, and I
agree to what has been said before his chances of surviving Book
7, are really very low. Lower than Voldermort's in a way, IMO.
>Sydney
> The larger objection is a wavering, agonizing, side-switching
> Snape is just such a massive focus-puller. It would make Snape,
> not Harry,making all the critical choices and going through the
> most interesting emotions at the end of the book. Story-wise I'm
> much happier having Snape running down a pretty clear,
> straightforward track, and Harry doing all the mind-changing. For
> this reason I would prefer Evil!Snape to conflicted!Snape, because
> much as I'd rather read a book about Snape, this ain't it.
Orna:
One more thing, Harry is of course the hero of the books, but it's
Snape who gets, as it seems most of the emotion and thoughts in the
debates, as far as making people making UVs about it. I agree
it's because of the tension between both of them, but being that so,
it may imply, that both of them have to change, grow. (Harry more,
being the Hero, getting all the applause, but Snape also. After all,
we see in HBP even Draco changes a little, if only the angle of his
wand
). But that's just my personal preference, having pity on
Snape, and not liking the idea of all the characters sustaining 7
books, with just Harry growing and changing. <g>
Orna
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