The two versions of the Prophecy

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No: HPFGUIDX 143197

Carol:
> I'd be interested in hearing how various people reconcile the two
> versions, regardless of what flavor Snape they prefer. (Grape!
Snape,
> anyone? ;-) )


>Ceridwen:
>I thought about it, and came up with several different ideas. I
>think the one that most closely fits both Dumbledore's and
>Trelawney's recollections of events would be that Snape was outside
>the door when Trelawney began to give her prophecy, and was caught 
by
>Aberforth, and the ensuing argument made it impossible for Snape to
>hear the rest. Dumbledore heard the commotion; Trelawney didn't
>because she was in a trance..<snip>

Orna: 
I agree with this scenario, but would just like to add, that at this 
precise moment Trelawney woke up, for a moment, being startled 
because of the commotion. DD wanting to make the interruption as 
short as possible, hoping that Trelawney will be able to go on, 
throws Snape out immediately, and Trelawney resumes her trance and 
the  prophecy. That explains also Trelawney remembering the door 
bursting open, but actually not what happened thereafter. She heard 
Snape saying something, and that's when her story ends. Being 
aroused from a trance, she would be more likely to register 
consciously what she saw, than being able to decipher, what was 
being said. She continues and says,  that after "that" DD seemed 
more disposed to give her a job. This seems to hint there is a time 
leap in there, in which I think, she may have continued the 
prophecy.  

 >Ceridwen:
>But that doesn't explain the Pop-Up!Trelawney in the Pensieve.
<snip>
>So, the conclusion I came to is that Dumbledore didn't want Harry to
>see anything but Trelawney giving the prophecy. He didn't want Harry
>to see the room, the scene outside the windows (snow? dead of
>night?), he didn't want him to see *anything else*.

>I can get at least two reasons for that. There are probably more.
>One: Dumbledore wants Harry to focus on the prophecy to the 
exclusion
>of all else, so he 'spotlights' it; Two: Dumbledore doesn't want
>Harry to see something in the room for whatever reason.
>I'm tending toward number two. 

Orna:
I would like to offer a possibility – I agree with the suggestion, 
that the pop-up!memory, is a way of having a very focused memory. 
But I think it might be focused not only in terms of time ("short 
take") , or space (you can see only a part of the room), but also in 
terms of levels of consciousness – so to say. 

What I'm suggesting is that what happened in the original event, was 
what was suggested above-  you half of it, with my additions. Her 
being awake might have taken just a few seconds, and would account 
for her remembering it this way, "there was a commotion outside the 
door and it flew open, and there was that rather uncouth barman 
standing with Snape
". 

DD's memory, shows just the trance part of the prophecy, and 
Trelawney, not remembering her prophecies in a waken state, 
remembers just the periods, when she is awake, skipping over the 
places when she is in a trance, leaving just some traces, of there 
being something more (like the suddenness of the opening door, and 
her inability to remember anything which has been said then). 

Just a possibility
Orna