What is poetic justice? WAS: Re: Snape-the Hero -- Snape-the Abuser

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>Ceridwen wrote: 
> I do agree that Muggle Tobias makes it harder to believe that Witch 
> Eileen would allow herself to be abused.

Potioncat:
Oh, Isn't JKR lovely! Who expected the Gaunt-Riddle dynamics? For 
that matter, who read the chapter title "House of Gaunt" and expected 
that family! I was expecting a household of kings and kings to be. 
So, aren't we all wondering what the twist is to the Snape family?

>Ceridwen:
>  I can't see her (or any witch) settling for abuse.  Not 
> even for love.  After a while, that just doesn't work.

Potioncat:
Well, let's face it. We don't really know who was in that memory. Was 
it Eileen? Harry doesn't register that Eileen (from her school photo) 
was the woman he saw in Snape's memory, but that means nothing. Was 
it Tobias? Could it have been Grandfather Prince? I suppose Eileen, 
like Merope and Tonks was "weak" with love, but I doubt it. 

Eileen had enough contact with the Muggle world to meet and marry a 
Muggle. Yet, little Severus will arrive at Hogwarts knowing more 
curses than most 7th years. Lots of gaps here. Of course, one could 
practice Dark Magic without being a Pureblood.

My personal speculation is that Eileen was expelled from Hogwarts and 
was unable to do most magic, therefore was at a angry Muggle's mercy 
in that scene.
 

>Ceridwen: 
> I do think the Prince-Snape marriage was a serious match.  Probably 
a 
> love-match, since it's between different cultures.  And, it looks 
> like someone in the Prince family gave their blessing, too, since 
> announcements were put into the paper.  If so, I think that pokes 
> holes in the Pureblood Supremacist Princes, too...

Potioncat:
I agree, and that makes it unlikely that it's Grandfather Prince. If 
it is him, it's not the the marriage and child he's upset about. Of 
course the two annoucements could have been placed by Eileen. They 
were small...it wasn't big news, and it appears to have been a small, 
or at least, unimportant wedding. But it was public knowledge.

I snipped your comment that the whole purpose of the announcement was 
for Hermione to find...and it isn't some sort of clue. That could be 
correct too. It could be that the Daily Prophet has some magical way 
of knowing when a magical wedding  has taken place and therefore, 
prints it.  Hmmm...so should we look for the Riddle-Gaunt wedding and 
would the birth of Tom Riddle automatically appear? 

Bottom line...I don't have the slightest idea what is really going 
on. But it doesn't seem to me that Severus Snape was raised with any 
Pureblood ideology.

Potioncat