Dumbledore as Gandalf the White? (some LOTR spoilers)

h2so3f h2so3f at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 27 19:26:30 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 143548

Samantha wrote:<snip> 
" I was wondering about the DD/Gandalf connection from LOTR. 
Obviously, every great series has to have its wizard and each 
fantasy draws from other franchises. (Some more blatantly than 
others). But if DD is truly dead (and in a sense, Gandalf was too), 
then who's to say he won't come back? We are told after Harry' s run-
in with the Mirror of the Erised in SS/PS by DD himself that there 
is no way to bring witches and wizards back from the dead. So, 
obviously we dismiss this as a possibility forever, because if DD 
says it, it's law. I'm not saying that they'd been planning to fake 
his death for that long, I'm just saying that perhaps there are 
advances in magic like there are advances in science."
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**LOTR and Simarilions spoiler**
CH3ed:
I think it is worth noting that LOTR is tied to The Simarilions 
which has a religious theme (which is one of the reasons I love 
reading the mostly secular LOTR but not more religious Simarilion). 
Gandalf (who is like a prophet figure)did die but the ainu(?can't 
quite recall the word, you know, the god figure) sent him back to 
fulfill his mission. I don't think JKR would introduce a god-like 
entity or concept of reincarnation to the HP series. Tho she does 
write that there is a place you would "move on" to after you die 
(unless your fear of death causes you to become a ghost).

 I think that DD is really dead and gone is the most consistent 
conclusion as Harry is due to face his own destiny himself (and I 
think the appearance of DD's portrait in the Headmaster's Office 
seals the deal). It is also more consistent with DD's character to 
have willingly and selflessly died to save others (Malfoy, Snape, 
Harry), rather than just faking his own death. There may be advances 
in magic toward bringing back life but I don't think DD would go for 
it (like he could have use dark arts but wouldn't, paraphrasing 
McGonagal's PS/SS comment about DD being too noble to use LV's kind 
of power).

If anything DD is a gallant gryffindor and not a plotting slytherin. 
DD coming back to life after fighting off a curse would make book 7 
a story of DD's triumph rather than Harry's final battle with LV 
which I think it quite unlikely. IMO, JKR is not an overprotective 
mom and seems bent on being as realistic possible in her writing. 
She has not pulled any punch so far so I can't see her doing so in 
the last book by bringing DD back.

DD's death was quite jarring to me because it was so simple for such 
a larger than life figure. It is just like real life. A highly 
decorated warrior can survive 3 wars and a sunk ship and multiple 
battle wounds just to die of a common flu. Makes one appreciate the 
fragility of life better, ay? :O)

CH3ed still toasting his orange root beer to the late Albus 
Dumbledore and very glad that Harry did tell DD he told Scrimgor he 
is DDM. 







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