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[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 141048


> Valky wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/140506 :
> 
> I was working on a theory of Snape sending his Patronus to the Trio
> with anonymous messages. >>

> Catlady:
> Messages via (uniquely personal) Patronus aren't exactly 
> *anonymous*, just that the kids don't recognize the signature and no 
> doubt come up with many wrong certainties.

Valky replies:
Wel yeah, actually, that's kind of how my theory goes, and
specifically, Harry's extremely frustrating (throughout the whole
series) aversion to asking people obvious questions will hold us all
back from knowing who it is for most, or all, of the book. As well as,
I think, the high chance that Snapes Patronus will be something so
pure and innocent that not a single one of the trio will for an
instance equate it with Snape the Dumbledore killer. Like for instance
a Unicorn. ;D


> Valky wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/140845 :
> 
> << I think he participated, at least once or twice, in the heinous
> cruelties that the DE's are reknowned for, I wouldn't be surprised 
> if at first he was quite thrilled with it. Its continuity of the
> character to assume that he enjoyed being a nasty git when he was a
> DE. He enjoys it now, why should he have liked it any less then? >>

> Catlady:
> I don't agree with that part. Just because a person enjoys hurting
> other people's feelings with vicious words or even damaging their
> cherished property doesn't mean that person enjoys physical 
> violence.

Valky:
I can agree to that too. I don't think it's out of the question for
Snape to have enjoyed seeing someone he desired personal revenge on
'get theirs', but I equally think that he'd turn away just as quickly
seeing someone who he didn't think 'deserved it' suffering.

Catlady:
> I'm inclined to think that Snape began to turn against LV and his
> friends because witnessing the torture (that he was expected to
> participate in, and enjoy it) made him queasy and the first time he
> saw a human being DIE turned his stomach. 

Valky:
I don't think he's quite that soft, but he could be, I only speculate
<g>. IMHO it would be his conscience seeing someone innocent, in his
mind, die that would most disagree with him, and not an aversion to
suffering in general. But we can agree to disagree, I think.



> Catlady:
> Brooding about it (I am certain he is good at brooding!) led him to
> realize that the acts of LV and his followers were 
> counter-productive to the alleged goal of having a safe & prosperous 
> wizarding world ruled by LV with powerful and luxurious jobs given 
> to loyal followers and due respect to old pure-blood families.

Valky:
I don't think he'd have quite the comfrtable familiarity with the
Malfoy's that he has if this were true. It could be too diplomatic for
Snape to look at this area of the equation the way that you propose. I
think he is not essentially for social equality, IMO, favouring the
Malfoys, who supress everything they can, pretty much knocks down
anything based of a sense of that in Snape. 

OTOH I agree he has some strong beliefs, as his brooding nature
suggests, but I am still not sure what exactly they be.

 
> Catlady:
> Elkins wrote once that she saw Snape as the type who would enjoy
> physical sadism and that a person who gives up something he enjoys
> because he decides that it's ethically wrong is more interesting 
> than a person who gets squeamish at the sight of blood. Even I must 
> admit squeamishness is not a sign of virtue; there are good people 
> who are not squeamish (real!Moody for one). 
> 

Valky:
I think you might say I agree with Elkins there, IMHO if Snapes strong
beliefs are at all ESG then ethics suits him I think he has a sense of
right and wrong but it is skewed slightly shallow. IMO, superficial
appearances count for too much virtue with him, but he does show
strong signs of being well intentioned among his other ambiguous
characteristics.

Valky