Snape vs Fake!Moody (was:Bullying WAS: Re: Prodigal Sons)

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No: HPFGUIDX 141061

> > >>Vmonte:
> > <snip>
>Read the scene on the staircase again with
> > this in mind. Barty Jr. is threatening Snape on the stairs. He 
> > secretly knows that Snape is not loyal to any side, and he 
lets     
> > Snape know it. I love how Snape backs down and goes to his 
room    
> > with his tail between his legs...HAHA
> > (BTW the attitude Crouch Jr. has towards Snape and Draco makes it
> > very apparent to me that he sees them as two peas in a pod.)
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> It's precisely this sort of...hmm, I think hypocrisy might be too 
> strong a word, but there's definitely a disconnect here, that I 
just 
> cannot wrap my mind around.  You seem to be cheering Fake!Moody 
on.  
> And yet, you also say you dislike Snape because you find his 
behavior 
> sadistic.
<SNIP>


Alla:

I cannot speak for Vmonte, of course, but I think that the only 
aspect she is cheering Crouch for is his success in making Snape to 
back down, whether this is for right or wrong purposes.

And, I have to say, I absolutely share that, BUT not because it was 
an OK thing to do, but because that was to me the sort of poetic 
justice, carmic punishment, vicarious retribution, pick the term.

Fake!Moody makes Snape back down, he shifts the balance of power so 
to speak and this was VERY satisfying read to me.

To make a long story short - Crouch makes Snape squirm, albeit 
temporarily, he does something which Harry and Neville cannot do, 
since  the power is ALWAYS belongs to Snape when he interacts with 
them.
Here we see Snape for once being truly scared. I loved it.

I don't have to think that Crouch is a good man to cheer him up when 
he takes on someone whom I don't consider to be a good man either.


Betsy Hp:
> Then, of course, there's Harry.  During that scene that left you 
so 
> thrilled, Vmonte, Snape was worried about items stolen from his 
> storage room.  Items Fake!Moody stole to maintain his illusion so 
he 
> could send Harry to his death.  Aren't you cheering for the wrong 
man 
> here?  If Snape *had* discovered Fake!Moody's theft, the jig would 
> have been up, Cedric wouldn't have died, and Harry wouldn't have 
gone 
> through the hell that was the end of GoF for him.

Alla:

Here is that, of course, unexpected consequence, but  the funny 
thing is that even knowing what you said , I still love that scene, 
because to me Snape does not get nearly enough punishment through 
out the series, it is only in round about sort of way. I will take 
what I can get.



Betsy:
<SNIP> 
> Seems to me there was one clear villain and sadist on that 
> staircase.  It's strange that you've chosen that particular man to 
> cheer for.
> 

Alla:

I think there are two of those in that scene, actually.  And again  
the only reason I cheered for Crouch there was because it was 
another sort of Boggart scene to me. When Snape gets something back 
of what he dishes out, I like it a lot, no matter whom it will come 
from.


JMO of course,

Alla