JokeShops/Patronus, etc, etc.

[juli17 at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 141075

Valky wrote:
<< I was working on a theory of Snape sending his  Patronus to the Trio
with anonymous messages. >>
 
Catlady wrote:
Messages via (uniquely personal) Patronus aren't  exactly *anonymous*,
just that the kids don't recognize the signature and no  doubt come up
with many wrong certainties.
 
Julie now:
I think Snape is going to change his patronus, and then communicate
with the Order and/or the trio through the new patronus. There has to 
be a reason for that brief and isolated mention that Tonks  changed her
patronus. That knowledge served no real purpose in Book 6, so I'm
betting JKR put it there familiarize us with the concept and  foreshadow
its importance in Book 7. And no one needs an anonymous patronus 
more than Snape!
 
Also, I do realize the Order might be suspicious of a patronus they
didn't recognize, but if the patronus has specific connections to the
side of good or an implied relationship to Dumbledore (a unicorn or a 
phoenix patronus, for instance), the Order might assume Dumbledore
had prearranged it, or had recruited someone to work behind the 
scenes for the Order (or that the patronus belonged to the mystery
Order member JKR says we haven't properly met yet). In this way
Snape could also send messages to the trio, messages they would
likely accept as coming from a friend/ally, since the Order wouldn't
be able to identify the patronus as his. 
 
bibphile wrote:
<< On a side note, am I the only one who thought it was very stupid  of
Harry to just try spells on people when he had no idea what they  did.
>>

Catlady wrote:
I thought it was SO stupid that I thought that the book  was magically
seducing him, something like the Riddle diary. It didn't have  verbal
conversations with him and I don't think it thought for itself,  but
it maybe had some charm on it to magnetically attract Harry, make  him
trust it and want to try out all its special spells. Maybe  Hermione's
intense dislike of it and Ron's inability to read it were also  caused
by magic -- if Hermione and Ron had both had the same reaction,  it
would be easy to believe that the spell simply included  repelling
everyone but the 'owner'. Unfortunately, I don't know how well a  mere
spell could tailor the type of repulsion to the repulsee's  personality
without 'thinking for itself'. But, y'know, a spell on the  book
telling it to belong to Harry could cause it to move itself  from
Snape's bookcase to the Potions classroom cabinet.


Julie now:
I don't really buy the idea that the Potions book magically *seduced*
Harry, since Harry seemed quite in character to me when he used 
the potions from the book. Harry does tend to be impulsive, though
not so much as Sirius, thankfully. But I do like the idea that a  spell
on the book caused it to find its way to Harry. I've been bothered by
the amazing coincidence of Harry and that particular Potions book
just happening to find each other. Perhaps it wasn't an amazing 
coincidence at all...
 
Betsy wrote:
<< The reader has to assume so much (they didn't  really mean for
Dudley to suffocate to death, they would have felt bad if  Montague 
had died, they wouldn't have let Katie Bell bleed to death,  >>

Catlady wrote:
Well, they WOULDN'T have let Katie bleed to death. Even  if neither of
them was dating her, she was a valuable player for their  Quidditch
team.
 
Julie now:
LOL! (And I actually did!) Glad to know the twins have their  priorities
straight! Seriously, I do assume they aren't deliberately *trying* to 
kill anyone, but they do sometimes push the envelope a bit too far.
Personally, I think I'd feel safer being on Snape's bad side than the
twins' bad side!
 
Valky also wrote:
It occurs to me that the Diary and the Ring were  probably destroyed in
different ways. I deduce that Dumbledore may have  attempted to
re-enact to the best of his ability, the way Harry destroyed  the
Diary, but he could easily have discounted something important to  the
process, something small that Harry did, but he didn't. An error  with
the unfortunate consequence of leaving Dumbledore with no choice  but
to die sometime in the near future or give up all hope of  defeating
Voldemort. I'd call that a 'huge' mistake, wouldn't you?

Julie says:
Might Voldemort's protection have become more deadly and more
sophisticated as time passed? The Diary would have been his first
horcrux after all. 
 
Oh, and I agree about Dumbledore's huge mistake. Makes sense.
It also fits well with the idea that Snape did something to delay the
full effect of the ring horcrux curse, perhaps using a stopper death
potion or a draught of living death to stop death temporarily from
proceeding past Dumbledore's wand hand. Then Dumbledore went
and unstoppered it with that cave potion...
 
Julie 



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