[HPforGrownups] Re: Motivations for Joining DEs (Was: Bullying)

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 141140

Kemper wrote:
Sectumserpra (cut always?) wasn't created to shred paper, it was created
with the intention of hurting/maiming another human being, and that is what
makes it Dark.
 >> Nora responded:
>> Upthread someone else asked about Obliviate, so now I think I have
>> what could be used to make a distinction, although I'm not sure I
>> buy it. It's the classic difference between necessary and
>> sufficient; or another angle on the same idea is whether it has
>> any other purpose/use.
>
a_svirn countered:
> Really? Well, then, Imperius can be used for good uses too. In fact,
> even Aveda Kedavra can be used for good uses, depends on what you
> define as "good".

Nora then replied:
Not if you combine the question of necessarily/sufficient/use with
the problem of the violation of subjectivity, mentioned upthread. AK
and Imperius always violate a person's right to be himself,
necessarily (and sufficiently, to boot); I argue that this, in the
world of the Potterverse, violates the condition of 'good'.
  Hells replied to Geoff:
(replies to a way which at least Imperios can be used for good in an
emergency)
Making a child who is about to run into a road stand still.
Making a Death Eater who is about to AK someone lower his wand.
  Kemper now:
a_svirn and Hells suggest that Dark (Morally Wrong in the RR)can be used for
the Morally Right reasons. Saving people was used as an example by Hells.
 Instead of Imperio-ing child running into road, what about Accio-ing child
to your loving arms? It doesn't violate the child and still allows the child
to trust the caretaker.
 Instead of Imperio-ing the DE, what about Petrificus Totalus-ing his/her
ass? It can be done nvrb-ly as illustrated by DD on the tower thereby
surprising the would-be AK-er. This would save the would-be AK victim while
keeping the moral high ground... not sliding down the slippery slope into
the Dark.
 Many thought that Voldemort had it right, until he started showing his true
colors. (Don't have my books near, but if someone has book and page #, I
think it was Sirius or Lupin)
 I think of the Dark Magic as a cigarette. For many people smoking a
cigarette for the first time makes it infinitely easier to smoke a cigarette
the next time. The lungs, once Pure, Darken. Sure, not much at first but in
time.
 Harry has smoked two cigarettes. He didn't seem to cough much with Crucio,
though with Sectumsempra he seemed to find it difficult to breath. Which is
good, because Harry wanted to hurt Draco. If he didn't, he could have used
Expelliarmus, a spell he's quite good at. (Carol, I know the preposition
dangles, but it dangles eloquently) I think we've seen Harry last try
cigarettes; he doesn't seem to enjoy exhaling the Dark smoke from his Pure
lungs.
 Kemper


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