[HPforGrownups] Re: Wand breaking was Harry's bias again, several posts

[P J]

No: HPFGUIDX 141151



Carol
>But I'm not talking about child "criminals" like teen!Hagrid and
>Harry). I'm talking about expulsion for violating school rules. If,
>for example, Ron and Harry had been expelled for arriving at Hogwarts
>in the flying Ford Anglia, would their wands have been taken away and
>broken? (r maybe that's not a good example, since they were also
>breaking wizarding law.

We've seen many acts of school rules being seriously violated and the most 
punishment handed out in Dumbledore's time has been a long detention.  We 
know from Molly and Filch that the punishment used to be whippings and 
hanging by thumbs (or was it toes?), but still, no expulsions.

I believe that points squarely to the idea that to be expelled from Hogwarts 
rather than just disciplined you must break *wizarding* law.  If that's true 
then it follows every time someone is expelled their wands are snapped.


Carol:
>In any case, to return to your original point--that Snape seems to
>want Harry wandering around the WW wandless. If so, it's odd that he's
>tried so often to *prevent* Harry from breaking the rules (e.g., going
>to Hogsmeade without permission) and that he has twice had good reason
>to expel him: When HRH knocked him against the cave wall with an
>Expelliarmus, he (mis)informed Fudge that they were confunded and when
>Harry performed Sectumsempra on Draco, he gave him a series of
>detentions rather than expelling him. In all other instances, he knew
>full well that the expulsion of a Gryffindor was not within his authority.

If Harry were to get expelled for using Sectumsempra on Draco then Draco 
also would've had to be expelled for using (or attempting) Crucio on Harry.  
Snapes UV wouldn't have allowed that.

Also, what other excuse could Snape's pride handle other than "Confunded" 
when he's knocked on his butt by 3 of his students?

>Carol, finding it a bit odd that the examples she rebutted were
>snipped and then re-cited as new evidence

You mentioned "someone said" and since I was that "someone" I responded. I 
didn't asnwer the rest of your post because I didn't want to get into the 
discussion of whether Snape singled Harry out the first day of class.  I'm 
not sure I follow how my post re-cited yours at all.

PJ