Harry IS Snape.

[horridporrid03]

No: HPFGUIDX 141212

> >>julie:
> > <snip>
> > it's  pretty clear Harry's anger and
> > hatred of Snape are out of proportion
> > to anything Snape is doing to him
> > (or has done to him in the past).
> > <snip> 

> >>eggplant:
> I must say that strikes me as an extraordinary thing to say. Think 
> for a moment of the person you hate the most in the entire world, 
> whatever injustice that person has inflicted on you I very much   
> doubt it could compare to what Harry received at the hands of     
> Snape since he was one year old. 

Betsy Hp:
Let's see.... He attempted to save the lives of the Potter family.  
He succeeded in saving Harry's life at least twice.  He saved 
Harry's friends' lives. Oh, he *did* force Harry to pay attention in 
class and do his homework.  And he *does* have a tendency to sneer.  
The knave!
 
> >>Julie:
> > <snip>
> > he [Harry] is 'clinging' to his notion
> > that Snape is at fault  for Sirius's death,
> > just because that belief is so emotionally
> > satisfying. 
> > <snip>

> >>eggplant:
> It may be emotionally satisfying to believe it, but that doesn't   
> mean it's unreasonable to think it is at least particularly true. 
> And if Snape wasn't 100% responsible for Sirius's death he        
> certainly was for Dumbledore's. 

Betsy Hp:
Even *Harry* recognizes that his hatred is a bit beyond logical.  
*Harry* doesn't think Snape really had anything to do with Sirius's 
death, and he doesn't yet know that by the end of the school year 
Snape will kill Dumbledore.  So at this point Harry is being 
unreasonable and he knows it.

> >>Julie:
> > <snip>
> > [Harry] remains stubbornly negative throughout
> > HBP, to the point that he argues with 
> > Dumbledore over fetching Snape when he *knows
> > full well* that  Snape has already saved 
> > Dumbledore from one horcrux curse.
> > <snip>

> >>eggplant:
> Yes Dumbledore said Snape saved his life from the Horcrux curse,   
> but Harry had every reason to believe the Headmaster was mistaken 
> about that.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
Wait, so Snape *didn't* save Dumbledore from the ring curse?  Who 
did then, and why didn't Harry share this knowledge with Dumbledore?
  
> >>Julie:
> > <snip>
> > Harry really hates Snape. I mean, he really,
> > REALLY hates Snape. He would be very happy
> > if Snape were dead, no less. 
> > <snip>

> >>eggplant:
> That is true, by the end of book 6 Harry's hatred of Snape equals 
> his hatred of Voldemort, and with good reason.

Betsy Hp:
But Julie's not talking about the *end* of the book.  She's talking 
about the beginning.  So what's the good reason at the *beginning* 
of the book for Harry to hate Snape as much or more than Voldemort?

> >>Julie:
> > <snip>
> > His hatred of Snape mirrors Snape's
> > hatred of James 
> > <snip>

> >>eggplant:
> The two are just not comparable, James bullied Snape and Snape    
> bullied Harry, but in addition Snape played a key part in the     
> murder of Harry's father, mother and Godfather, and Harry watched 
> Snape kill Dumbledore and push him out of a tower with his own two 
> eyes. It's the difference between evil and mischief.

Betsy Hp:
Again, you're mixing up the *end* of the book with the beginning.  
Harry hates Snape *before* he finds out about Snape being the 
eavesdropper and Dumbledore's death.  I do agree that the comparison 
isn't perfect.  Frankly, I see much more logic in Snape's hatred of 
James than Harry's hatred of Snape.  But the mirror is there, so I 
think they can be compared.

> >>Julie:
> > <snip>
> > Harry doesn't acknowledge or care that
> > Snape has saved his life more than once 
> > <snip>

> >>eggplant:
> By my count Harry saved Snape's life and that of the entire wizard
> world at least 3 times, and Harry is the only one who has a chance 
> of saving it once more, and Snape still treats Harry like dirt.

Betsy Hp:
Yes, but living, breathing dirt. <g>  Without Snape, Harry wouldn't 
even be that, and the two other times Harry saved the day (I'm 
assuming Quirrell and the battle at the DoM?) would never have 
occurred.

Betsy Hp