[HPforGrownups] Re: Forbidden Education/ Identifying Enemies/Twins

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 141217

Samwise the grey:
> We don't know that for certain. I would find it depressing that Lupin
> is the only werewolf to go to Hogwarts. Dumbledore and his staff have
> proven they are at least tolerent enough to allow a werewolf to both
> learn and teach. It's proven that there are certainly none currently
> using the Shack during Harry's 3rd year. That doesn't rule out 2
> possibilties:

Magpie:

I'd add a third.  Not all werewolves are bitten in childhood.  The one in 
St. Mungo's is an adult.

> Finwitch:
>
> Not tie it to Dudley's sins? I must disagree. The swollen tongue was a
> direct consequence of Dudley eating a stolen piece of candy, despite of
> his parents telling him not to eat any candy (or donuts for that
> matter) - and actually forbidding him something for the first time in
> his life. In addition, Dudley knew (via Harry) that magic is real.

Magpie:
The twins taught Dudley not to eat anything a wizard brought into the house. 
Why would it teach him anything about impulse control or obeying Mummy and 
Daddy in the Muggle World?  That's certainly not the intent the twins had. 
The twins wanted to try out their candy.  They didn't want Dudley to lose 
weight or learn impulse control or obedience to his parents--or not to 
'steal' candy.

 (Though this line of thought reminds me of a similar storyline on the show 
Weeds, with the joke being that it was incredibly cruel you would have to do 
to slip something into a dieter's stash of food to teach them not to be a 
piggy.)

Finwitch

2) Dudley does not
> hit Harry, even if Harry deliberately annoys him with that Dudders-
> business... So he's at least ensuing *some* self-control (though not
> with poor Mark Evans). I think it's good for him, actually.

Magpie:

Well, of course not with poor Mark Evans.  Dudley hasn't learned not to be a 
bully at all, he's just smart enough not to pick on somebody who's got a 
weapon and he's learned Harry has one.  (He's defiant to Harry but doesn't 
hit him.)  It's the same thing as the food.  Dudley learned to be scared of 
wizards.  I don't think it had any more general character-building effects.

-m