The dynamic Snape (was: Twist JKR? )/ Which characters are dynamic?

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No: HPFGUIDX 141765

> > >>Lupinlore:
> > Well, we'll have to disagree on that one.  When I see him 
interact  
> > with Harry in some way not determined or deeply colored 
by          
> > nastiness and bitterness, I will agree he has grown complex 
and     
> > interesting, as opposed to boring and pathetic.  <SNIP> 
> Betsy Hp:
> So, until Snape suddenly treats Harry nicely he's not a complex 
> character for you?  It sounds to me like you're not commenting on 
> JKR's writing style, you're commenting on Snape's personality.

Alla:

Oh, I hate speaking for someone else, especially since in this 
instance I don't feel exactly as Lupinlore does, but I can at least 
say for myself. I do NOT find Snape's character boring at all, BUT I 
absolutely do NOT find him dynamic either. He is not changing, he is 
the same through the books, bitter, nasty, hateful man, who MAY be on 
the side of Light.

I am not sure if this is what Lupinlore meant, but  IF Snape would 
treat Harry differently, it would mean to me , that Snape is 
changing, that his character undergoes some kind of development. 
Because revelations and dynamic are not the same to me at all.

The blanks about Snape are getting filled slowly, but surely, but 
does he react to the  world arround him in any way differently than 
he was in book 1? I do not see it. That is another reason why OFH!
Snape is so attractive to me , it will allow Snape to undergo changes 
through the books

Betsy Hp:
<SNIP>
But a character 
> being bitter doesn't automatically mean that character is flat.

Alla:

I agree with you - it does not automatically mean that, BUT  the 
character being bitter and ONLY bitter all the time, does mean to me 
that he is flat or static. Actually, Snape is NOT the only example of 
the non dynamic characters in the books to me. I would put almost all 
adults in that category, actually. That is taking into consideration 
the fact that  the only changes we do see is in their interactions 
with Harry. I would put only Dumbledore and Sirius in the characters 
who underwent some changes ( not revelations, changes)- Dumbledore 
hopefully learned some lessons for himself at the end of OOP,so I 
think that was a significant change in him. And Sirius communicated 
with Harry differently in OOP ( those are more negative changes, but 
still changes IMO)
BUT alas, the only adult characters which IMO got some dynamics are 
now dead. Maybe I should be grateful that JKR does not give Lupin any 
dynamics? What is better - developed dead character or one note alive 
one? :-)

Honestly , does anybody have any examples of dynamics through the 
books in adult characters? because I don't remember anything else 
right now.

I think that Trio undergoes the most dynamiuc development and I 
absolutely think that as of now those three are the most complex and 
well developed characters in the books. They are changing every time 
we meet them, their reactions  to the same events are changing. NOT 
because we are guessing, but because we are seeing it, reading about 
it.



Betsy Hp: 
> I doubt we'll ever agree on how we *feel* about the character of 
> Snape, but I think we can agree that Snape does garner some sort of 
> feeling.  Which is why I'd say the characterization JKR has done 
*is* 
> dynamic.

Alla:

I disagree - not on the fact that Snape provokes some  strong 
feelings, because he sure does from me, but that he is dynamic 
character, because to me dynamic means change , NOT change in Harry's 
POV, but change in character and I see no change in Snape. We learn 
new things about him, but the character stays the same , IMO.


JMO,

Alla.