How important is the right sluggish memory?

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 142018

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lucianam73" <lucianam73 at y...>
wrote:

> ALL other encounters Harry and Dumbledore have in HBP are previously
> arranged by the headmaster. <snip>
> Please note JKR informs us very clearly of every single arrangement!
<snip>
> Connecting those points together, we get the picture of an elusive
headmaster, always away from Hogwarts,<snip>
> Well, when Harry hears (by chance?) Dumbledore's in Hogwarts and
runs to his office to show him the memory he's just got, he breaks a
pattern. And we have evidence something is indeed different: when
Dumbledore pours the contents of the bottle into the Pensieve this
time, he uses his left hand. In all previous Pensieve sessions he had
used his right hand (the injured one) to handle the bottles. 
> 

Valky:
Oooh Good spotting here Lucianam :D
You got me to lok twice, and I discovered that DD is also temporarily
stunned when Harry claims to have Slughorn's memory. Which could be
said to be OOC for Dumbledore, who usually is found *expecting* Harry
whenever he arrives appointment or no.



Luicianam:
> I'm not saying it's an impostor pretending to be Dumbledore (could 
> it be, though?). I think something else happened. <snip>
> 
> One person does act differently and has different information, 
> depending on which point in time that person is.
> 
> I think Dumbledore has been Time Travelling all through HBP. 

Valky:
I am going to jump out on a limb to support you here, Lucianam. I
think you're right. And I think some of the strongest evidence is in
he foreshadowing. Allow me to explain:
Since HBP there has been some speculatins surrounding the behaviour of
Draco Malfoy, and in particular the similarity in descriptive language
between Draco in HBP and Lupin in POA. Many of you already see where I
am going with this right? HaHA!! Of course you do..

Okay so if we can add grey looking and disappearing to suspicions of a
werewolf bite, then we can equally add, tired looking and
dissappearing can't we. IOW who was looking rather exhausted by the
end of POA? Like Dumbledore in HBP.. None other than Hermione.

Okay, now I know there are a good percentage of us who have thrown
bitten!Draco to the pile, and the prerogative belongs to the same, of
course. OTOH the POA foreshadowings here IMO seem to run end to end. I
am buying it, and a bag to carry it home in.

The question that immediately srings to mind of course is hmm, which
way did he travel and when and how much...?

Possibilities? Oh there are all sorts. Dumbledore could even return
from the dead temporarily through this! Phoenix rising foreshadowing?  

For some of us.. cheering and thouhts of looking forward to it, I
would say. For others... better answer another thread as your reply is
guessable (deux machina, contrived, JKR wiggling out of a tight spot,
waves of dissillusioned sighs from fans.. yeah, got it, assimilated it
<bg> moving on...)


Lucianam:
And the reason Dumbledore didn't recognise the memory Harry presented
him after the burial as the wrong one was because he was a 'different
Dumbledore' from the one who had showed Harry the Sluggish memory. 


Valky:
Our paths will diverge here, Lucianam. I am content to believe the
memory Harry obtained was the real one. 


Lucianam:
> Confusing? I think so, too. Think of PoA. When Harry and Hermione o
back in time to save Sirius and Buckbeak, we have two sets of
Harry-and-Hermione in the past. The difference between the 'from the
future' and 'past' H-and-H is clearly shown when Harry-from-the-future
is able to conjure the Patronus, and Harry-from-the-past is not. When
Harry and Hermione use the Time Traveller again and return to the
hospital wing, Harry now knows it was him, not his dad, who conjured
the Patronus. He didn't know such before he Time-Travelled. 

Valky:
Now, doesn't this make you wonder if Dumbledore knew Harry could
retrieve the memory from Slughorn as a result of the surprise
appearance by Harry that night.

I tried to look at the mechanics of it as a Tme travel incedent, by Oh
My, Oh My.. forget it. It could take all week to come up with a
scenario that makes sense. <g>


Lucianam: 
> I suspect he uses that watch of him to Time Travel (the one we see
in the first chapter or PS/SS). Now that Ron's got a similar one (from
Dumbledore himself??) I suspect the kids will Time Travel again in Book 7.


Valky:
I'll put Galleons on it, Lucianam. I would even have a crack at the
timeframe they will return to in case you're interested. The battle at
the D.O.M. You heard *that* here first <g>

Valky