Subplot and Lupin in HBP was Re: How important is the right sluggish memory?

[lucianam73]

No: HPFGUIDX 142101

> > > Valky wrote (snipped):
>
> > > I would even have a crack at 
> > > the timeframe they will return to in case you're interested.  
> The battle at the D.O.M. 
> 
> and Valky again (snipped):
>
>> The mysterious jet of light that hit Sirius squarely on the chest
> needs explanation. ... It will be important to Harry that he knows
> who shot the jet of light, he needs to know exactly how Sirius 
died, I think (and so do I <g>).

Lucianam:

Aha!! I don't know if you're thinking about that, but ESE!Lupin fits 
here??

I'm new in HPfGu and have been reading the ESE!Lupin posts. I was 
horrified at first, but I have to admit the arguments for it are 
plausible (I don't mean I believe it, though). I've been searching 
for the posts that discuss Lupin possibly AKing Sirius in the D.O.M. 
battle, by the way. If anyone could point me, I'd appreciate it. 

For what I've been able to fish from a few posts though, the idea 
seems to be Lupin shot that second jet of light, which was a green 
one _ JKR never telling us its color in OotP. And I don't know if 
any posts mentioned Tonks possibly knowing about Lupin being 
the one who shot the AK? I'm not sure about that because she passed 
out a long time before Sirius fell through the veil. But:

It is stated in OotP Harry saw her duelling Bellatrix across the 
room from himself and Sirius (thus , and she was knocked out just 
after a 'jet of green light nearly missed Sirius'. I wonder who shot 
that jet of green light, if Harry had just shot a Petrificus Totalus 
on Dolohov, who was the DE Sirius had just been duelling with? And 
Tonks could have seen who shot it before she was hit, because if 
Harry could see her acroos the room, presumably she could see Harry 
and Sirius_who was next to Harry_ as well.

Giving the ESE!Lupin theory a try, let's suppose it was Lupin who 
shot both jets of green light. Tonks would have known about the 
first one... she'd know Lupin had at least tried to murder Sirius 
once, even if she never witnessed the veil scene. Of course the big 
problem with this theory is the last chapter of OotP, in which Tonks 
(with her hair bubblegummingly pink) is seen standing next to Lupin, 
apparently in good terms with him.

But when you throw in HBP, it does fit. When she talks to Harry in 
the Unkownable Room corridor, her eyes suddenly become watery at the 
mention of Sirius's name. Yet, when Harry says 'I miss him, as well' 
she seems to be thinking in very different lines, and leaves. Well, 
what lines could those be? Guilt and remorse, perhaps, because she's 
covering up for Sirius's murderer? She was all lovesick then, so she 
could have been trying to protect Lupin, but felt guilty about it.

In fact, she does seem to be worried about Lupin possibly having 
murdered someone else, in that very scene. She tells Harry she's 
worried about rumours of people getting hurt, and Harry thinks she's 
talking about the little boy who was Imperiused and tried to kill 
his parents _ the news that was on the Daily Prophet. But Tonks says 
the Prophet is 'behind the times'. What news is she talking about 
then, if not the Montgomery boy being attacked by a werewolf (and 
dying, too)?

We learn about the Montgomery boy in the next chapter, and Hermione 
says the rumour is it was Fenrir Greyback who attacked him. But 
Tonks is madly in love with Lupin, whom she knows is living with the 
other werewolves; wouldn't it be natural for her to worry the 
attacker could have been him, in spite of any rumours blaming 
Greyback?

So HBP Tonks would fit ESE!Lupin I guess; a woman so desperately in 
love (grabbing his robes in front of everybody says something to 
me!) she'd cover up for his evil deeds. Maybe he's telling her a 
bunch of lies anyway, if he's all that evil then why not?


> Leah wrote (snipped):
>  
> However, I have to agree with the others who have responded that 
> the after the burial memory is the right one. If it wasn't then 
> Harry 
> would presumably have to spend valuable book 7 time retrieving a 
> third memory from Slughorn, which would be a revisting of theme 
that 
> would occupy, I think, too much dramatic space.

Lucianam:

In my opinion, we're not done with HBP yet_ in a sense. What JKR 
said about B6 and B7 being connected, sort of B6 being the first 
part... well I think it's entirely true.

So Harry retrieving the true memory would not occupy unnecessary 
dramatic space, because his doing so would not be a 'rerun' of what 
he's done already, but him (and us) finding out of what really 
happened during Aragog's burial, not to mention finding out who was 
the boy in the memory! Pretty essential info.

In a general sense, actually, I don't think we have much of a clue 
of what was happening in a huge part of HBP! My feeling about this 
book is that the real plot was going on right under our noses and we 
never saw it.

Has anyone seen that movie Sixth Sense, with Bruce Willis? Then you 
know what I'm talking about, when I say 'things going on unnoticed 
right under our noses' (I don't want to spoil anyone so can't really 
say anymore).

A lot of things, not only Slughorn's memory, are falsely presented 
as 'resolved' in HBP, but only to fool us, until we see them for 
what they really are in B7 _ that being my opinion, of course. It's 
like JKR wrote two plots in HBP: one in the open, the other (the 
Subplot) well hidden under the clues and oddities. Actually she's 
always written like that, but we used to get the resolution, aka 
exposition of the until-then-hidden-Subplot in the last chapters. we 
can't have that now, otherwise she wouldn't have many surprises left 
for B7.

Lucianam