How important is the right sluggish memory?

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 142158


> > Valky:
> > [Ron Ginny and Luna in the planet room] Somehow, all
> > three survived and escaped four DE's attacking them but Luna was
> > the only one capable of fighting, this is a suspicious set of 
> > circumstances, lending to a theory that they may have had help
> > from an undisclosed source. 
> 
> Jen: I finally got a chance to re-read the DOM battle and agree this 
> narrow escape was pretty amazing. The room itself may have assisted 
> them in some way, but I'm not certain we would ever hear about it 
> again if so. Another interesting point: When the six kids blew up 
> the prophecy globes and started running for the open door in the 
> room, the one Harry can see because of the 'glittering light of the 
> bell jar', the other three who ran ahead didn't go to that room. 
> Hermione said something about the other three going the wrong way, 
> but that was the only open door, so why? (And I could be confusing 
> the layout of the rooms because I found that entire battle sequence 
> very confusing even after many readings).

Valky:
Oh excellent point Jen! It's really quite strange that they three
managed to find a door that we hadn't seen. In my TimeTurning theory
this could be the place where the trio/Harry hide themselves while
waiting for their opportunity to intercept Sirius. You see, I partly
base this theory on an echo of the TT events of POA so I imagine that
Harry arrives at the DOM scene un/fortunately earlier than expected he
would need to be there, and like POA managed to be involved in more
events than he planned to. The Planet room has huge promise, it's a
room filled with darkness, Luna tells Harry that for the most part
they were just floating around in darkness, it sounds like a good
place to hide. 

I also found the battle scene confusing, if the other three ran ahead,
  how did Hermione and Harry lose sight of them. It seems like
something must have gotten in the way of their view, perhaps the mist
from the prophecy orbs would explain that. But what I find strange is
that Ron, Ginny and Luna wouldn't try to follow Harry who is clearly
their leader and whom they rely upon for guidance, which leads me to
another possible part of a TT theory, maybe they *did* follow Harry!
In the confusion it's entirely possible that they would have caught a
glimpse of TT!Harry's shoes and followed them thinking they were
following correct time Harry. 

Thanks for thhe tip there Jen, I will reread the shelf smashing scene
with my most careful eye and see if anything turns up.




> 
> Valky:
> > Later in the brain room, Ginny is hit in the face with a spell and
> > is knocked unconscious, as Harry is running out after Bellatrix 
> > Ginny looks up, now conscious and says "Harry - what -?". Ginny
> > does seem to have recovered too quickly from the curse cast at her
> > face, Luna, who was knocked out before her is still unconscious on
> > the floor, it is possible Ginny has been revived by someone,
> > though this may have been Dumbledore, there is some reason to
> > believe that Ginny's surprised reaction to Harry is indicative of
> > something more specific to do with Harry. 
> 
> Jen: Great, I hope we don't have another edition error here. My 
> Scholastic edition doesn't have Ginny saying anything else after she 
> falls unconcious and before Harry leaves the room. *Sigh* 

Valky:
Ginny is revived when Harry runs back through the brain room from the
veil room. It's in the next chapter, so you might not have looked in
the correct place. The discrepancy is that while Luna was hit from
through the door and Ginny was hit directly in the face from short
range Luna is still groaning on the floor while Ginny has clearly been
conscious for some time, she is alert and cognitive. Also when reading
"Harry - what?" in the context of trying to explain the other strange
goings on in the DOM it's hard not to believe that Ginny has seen more
than makes common sense to see. 

> 
> > Jen previous: No, no, Godric's Hollow the night of the murders, of
> > course!!
>  
> > Valky:
> > I'd sure like to see it, but I do wonder if they can travel that
> > far back. 
> 
> Jen: I decided that would be perfectly awful for Harry to relive 
> Godric's Hollow in person, but then JKR did say she's going to put 
> Harry through some really bad experiences, so....would that qualify 
> as the worst? 

Valky:
I agree, that Harry is going to go through some awful stuff before
then end is a premise unto itself. Even while we have disagreements
around the grounds with whether interview material is canon, I don't
think anyone can deny that this is a premise we can assume and count
on. OTOH I don't think Godrics Hollow would be entirely the worst, I
can think of something pretty awful that I don't want to post, one
listee actually wrote to me offlist this week to say that this thing
woke her up in a cold sweat. It's *that* awful! though, I'll admit
Godrics Hollow would be real torture for Harry.
 

Jen:
> Watching his parents die,

Valky:
This would be te hardest thing to watch I agree.

Jen:
>  himself being cursed and not 
> able to lift a finger to change anything?

Valky:
After watching his parents die and doing nothing about it, Harry would
be numb to his very heart. I think the worst thing about watching
himself be cursed would be knowing that he will survive it. 

Jen:
>  No, probably better via 
> the Pensieve or even the recollections of whomever was there that 
> night with Voldemort (speculating, but it seems most of us believe 
> someone was there, right? <g>).

Valky:
I would like to see Harry use the pensieve, just because, and I am
dead keen to see Hermione in one making deductions and giving her
perspective on a memory. I always liked the penseive, so I hope that
Harry and Hermione manage to get a memory out of Harry for studying in
book seven. The Godrics Hollow memory does seem the best candidate for
that IMO.

> Jen
>
> Actually, Dumbledore had his watch at the Dursleys, while waiting 
> for Hagrid to bring Harry, maybe he did a bit of time-traveling the 
> night of or day after Godric's? The watch does seem to tell time in 
> a meaningful way since Dumbledore knew Hagrid was late, but it might 
> have other interesting features.


Valky:
Well now that is a possibility, wouldn't it be strange if Harry and
Hermione were wandering around his Godrics Hollow memory and saw
Dumbledore standing outside the window trying to learn what had gone
on there. How strange if we found out in the end that he fourth man
was Dumbledore! Would Harry be outraged that Dumbledore hadn't saved
his parents? HA! Would we?! <g>

Valky