Did Snape defend Trio in PoA?/Are appearances important to Snape?

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> > Carol responds:
> > Other posters have already shown that Snape did not hear the 
part 
> of
> > Lupin's speech about PP being a rat, and he was unconscious when 
PP
> > transformed. What he heard he could easily have interpreted as 
> further
> > evidence that Lupin was helping the escaped murderer into the 
> school
> > (not to mention that he knew quite well that the werewolf was 
> about to
> > transform and endanger three students, which is probably why he 
> bound
> > Lupin rather than Black.
> 
> Alla:
> 
I cannot answer for a_svirn, but I personally am inclined to agree 
that Snape did not hear the part of Lupin's speech about Peter being 
a rat. I don't think canon is THAT clear as others argued, since I 
think that Snape could have stood there earlier  and show up at the 
moment a_svirn argued he did.

 
But that is sort of irrelevant to what I am arguing, well not 
completely of course. I am speculating that it is unlikely that 
during his service as DE Snape did not hear anything about Peter, it 
just does not fit for me. Voldemort did not have that many DE in his 
service, no? It seems unlikely to me that they did not know each 
other. But this is of course just speculation. To sum up - of 
course, if Snape knew earlier, it does not matter when he showed up 
in the Shack, he already knew everything he needed to know.
 
 
Carol: 
> > You're assuming that his motive in telling Fudge that the kids 
were
> > confunded was to silence them. But why would he need to do that? 
He
> > had rushed out to save them from a murderer and a werewolf, and 
he
> > *did* conjure stretchers and take the three students and the man 
he
> > thought was a murderer back to the school.
> 
Alla:

Why would he need to do that? Because Snape as I read him values his 
images as powerful wizard A LOT and it hurts his pride A LOT that 
kids were able to hit him. And I think it is debatable whether Snape 
rushed out to save kids from murderer and werewolf or to get a 
revenge on "murderer" and werewolf, which he hoped to get for many 
years and finally got his chance, IMO.
 
And of course, why woud he bring students and Sirius to school is 
the easiest one to answer and I answered it in the past too. Snape's 
pride will be satisfied the most if he would get his revenge on 
Sirius the LEGAL way with as many people watching as possible. Of 
course, getting an Order of Merlin would be a nice bonus too. If he 
just fed Sirius and Remus to dementors in the forest, there is 
nobody who would know and nobody would give him even a big round of 
applauds. :-)

I mean, kids would know , but surely they won't be grateful to 
Snape, since they know the truth and would know that Snape was 
executing two innocent men,not murderers. 
Fudge on the other hand is delighted to give Snape all the praise he 
craves, IMO. Yes, I absolutely understand why Snape brings Sirius to 
school and he does NOT get any cookies for that from me.

 
> > Hickengruendler:
> > 
> > I don't have PoA handy and can't look, so please correct me, if 
> I'm 
> > wrong. But didn't he admit, that they overpowered him? Sure, he 
> said 
> > that they were bewitched, but that doesn't change the fact, that 
> they 
> > knocked him off. Or was there something else he said?  
 
 
Alla:

I am not sure whether I should correct you or not, because maybe we 
are interpreting differently the same scene. I am going to start 
quote close to  the moment where Snape says that they are confunded. 
If I missed the point you are talking about, please correct me.
 
"YOU HAVEN'T!" Harry yelled. "YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG MAN!"
"Minister, listen, please," Hermione said; she had hurried to 
Harry's side and was gazing imploringly into Fudge's face. " I saw 
him too. It was Ron's rat, he's an Animagus, Pettigrew, I mean, and -
--"
" You see, Minister?" said Snape. " Confunded, both of them... 
Black's done very good job on them" - PoA, p.389, paperback

I don't see anywhere in this quote Snape admitting that they 
overpowered him, because he claims that kids were confunded because 
they are telling tales, not because they knocked him out, no?
 
On  the next page Hermione "enlightens" Snape:
 
"That was because you were knocked out, Professor!" said Hermione 
earnestly. "You didn't arrive in time to hear---"
 
"Miss Granger, HOLD YOUR TONGUE" - p.390.
 
I still don't see any "admission" on Snape behalf. It seems to me 
that he is too embarassed even to hear that he was knocked out from 
somebody else, especially he won't say it himself.
 
Maybe I missed the quote you are talking about, if so please correct 
me.
 
> > Hickengruendler:
> > 
> > I actually think that fits. Wormtail was Voldie's secret spy, 
> > therefore I doubt he would show him to everyone. Not to mention 
> that 
> > Karkaroff said, that not every DE knew all his companions. On 
the 
> > other hand, the statement that some DE's were angry with Peter 
> > because they thought he betrayed him, contradicts this somewhat. 
> > Still, I would think Voldemort has enough sense not to tell too 
> many 
> > people, who his secret spy is.
> 
> 
Alla:
 
Good point about Voldie keeping Peter close to him, BUT you said it 
yourself , other DE did know, so I think my speculation that Snape 
may have known too is a reasonable one.

Hmmm.... Voldie having enough sense, I am not so sure about. 
Remember, he did not have enough sense not to kill  the boy who was 
tied to Gravestone right away, but istead untied him and  decided to 
teach him proper duelling manners. :-)
 
JMO,
 
Alla, who tried to edit typos in this post.