Did Snape defend trio at the end of PoA? /Are appearances important to Snap

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 142217

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "a_svirn" <a_svirn at y...> wrote:
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> > colebiancardi:
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> <snip> But nowhere in Lupin's speech, from the time the bedroom door 
> opened
> > to the end of the chapter does Lupin talk about Peter being the one
> > who killed Harry's parents.
> 
> a_svirn:
> I hadn't said that Snape leaned about Pettigrew being a secret-
> keeper from Lupin. On the contrary I had said that he already knew 
> *that*. What he didn't know was their animagi secret. He stayed and 
> listened the story until his curiosity was satisfied and then 
> proceeded with his revenge. 
> > 

but Snape never learned that Peter was Scabbers or even a rat Animagi.
 That wasn't even mentioned.  Just that Peter was the smallest of them
and his name was wormtail.  Or does that not matter?  Also, I would be
interested in hearing your theory on why you think Snape knew that PP
was the secret-keeper.  I don't believe Snape knows the other spys for
LV, let alone a secret-keeper.

> > colebiancardi:
> > Nope, not film contamination at all. p. 359 "Two more for Azkaban
> > tonight," said Snape, his eyes gleaming fanatically. "I shall be
> > interested to see how Dumbledore takes this...He was quite 
> convinced
> > you were harmless, you know, Lupin...a tame werewolf -"
> > "You fool," said Lupin softly. "Is a schoolboy grunge worth putting
> > an innocent man back inside Azkaban?"
> > 
> > So, Snape didn' mention bringing Sirius & Lupin directly to the
> > dementors, but to Azkaban. And also, the "give me a reason" line 
> was
> > when Sirius started towards Snape and Snape pointed his wand at 
> him.
> > Had nothing to do with dementors - perhaps Snape was going to 
> either
> > kill or hurt Sirius.
> > 
> > However, Snape does, on the next page, threaten Sirius that they 
> don't
> > have to wait until the castle, but he(snape) could call the 
> dementors
> > directly, once outside of the Willow(your passage). Since Snape is
> > one of those rule-followers, I am sure this was just a taunt to
> > Sirius, as he DID mention Azkaban - at least that is how I read it.
> > Snape was a bit unhinged in this scene - Rowling describes him as
> > having a mad glint in his eye, he seemed beyond reason, shrieking.
> > 
> a_svirn:
> I am sincerely puzzled how you can call a DE "rule-follower"? Not to 
> mention a man who is notorious for his blatant favouritism? Granted, 
> he kept trying to nail Harry for rule infractions but that was just 
> one of the many means to bring him down. 

An ex-DE, please - thank you very much.  And yes, look at Snape's
behavior in the first 3 books - he is very much a rule follower. and
at this point in the books, we don't know that Snape was a Death
Eater, let alone know what the word DE is.  He is a big rule follower
- we only see him at this point, thru Harry's POV.  sure, Snape takes
away points from Gryfinndor, but do we ever see him add points to his
own house?  I can't remember one time.  It is one thing to show
favouritism, another to reward it.  He has never rewarded his own
house with points.


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> Besides, there was no question about rule-breaking in this instant. 
> Sirius was already sentenced to the kiss ad absentia. And, finally, 
> WHY would the Trio attack him, if all he wanted to is to bring a 
> criminal for the interrogation? That doesn't make sense. 
> a_svirn
>

Because at this point, there is no reasoning with Snape - the Trio
honestly believes that Snape will carry out his threat.  Remember,
Sirius *snarled* at Snape and taunted him - "The joke's on you again,
Severus", Black snarled.  "As long as this boy brings his rat up to
the castle" - he jerked his head at Ron - "I'll come quietly..."
"Up to the castle?" said Snape silkily. "I don't think we need to go
that far..." etc p 350 Am Ed Hardcover

sounds like their old grudges and tauntings that they used to do to
one another back in school.  Only this time, Snape has the upper hand
and he is relishing it.  The Trio realizes that Snape does have the
upper hand, they believe Snape at his word(not realizing, as we didn't
at the time either, I might add, there was so much more to the
backstory) and they wanted to hear the rest of the story.  Remember,
Harry is not yet convinced that Black is the good guy at this
point(p.364-365).  Harry is willing to give Lupin & Sirius a chance to
hear what they have to say.   And he even states on p 364 that he
should have let Snape take them.  So, Snape *thinks* he knows the full
story, based on past experiences and his own involvement back in 1981
with the Order.  The Trio do not.

I never read into this more than the revenge story, which in OotP, is
explained further why Snape is the way he is towards Sirius and Lupin.
   DD only told Harry in PoA that Snape was angry because of the
life-debt - we later discover that it was much deeper and more complex
than just than than.

colebiancardi