Why can't Harry? WAS Re: Why Can't Harry and LV live while the other survives?

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 142293

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at h...> 
wrote:

Valky:
> A very concise and logical point I think Beatrice. 
 
> The one thing I have not resolved to the point, I think, is why 
> Harry cannot live while Voldemort survives.
 
> Here are some of the angles that sort of work for me, but they don't
> simplify enough to ease my mind about it:
 
> 1. Voldemort survives as long as Horcrux Harry lives, hence Harry
> cannot live because he remains the marked man forever hunted by 
> Voldemort.
 
Geoff:
Why can't he live? If "he remains the marked man forever hunted by 
Voldemort" then he isn't dead....

I have written before as to why I do not believe the Horcrux Harry 
theory and I take the liberty of repeating some of the thoughts I 
expressed in message 139937....

<quote>
But what of Harry? Why do I not believe that he is a Horcrux? Because
I believe that it flies in the face of Dumbledore's now famous
comment:
"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than
our abilities." 

(COS "Dobby's Reward" p.245 UK edition)

It has been observed by many contributors to the group that JKR makes
much of choice. Dumbledore again makes the matter clear:
"Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice
between what is right and what is easy, remember what happened to a
boy who was good and kind and brave because he strayed across the
path of Lord Voldemort" 

(GOF "The Beginning" p.628 UK edition).

If Harry is indeed a Horcrux than we know that he will have to die in
order for Voldemort to be destroyed once and for all. He could make
the choice of running away and hiding; the alternative is to face
Voldemort knowing that he will go down with him. And that places him
on a hiding to nothing. He has got no real choice in that
eventuality.
</quote>

Vaiky:
> 2. The Horcrux is capable of possessing Harry the moment his blood
> protection ceases, hence he was doomed from the start to lose his 
> life and his body to Voldie at 17, unless he can destroy Voldemort 
> before then (or during which is probably more likely).

Geoff:
Considering this point, a Horcrux is merely the vehicle by which a 
soul piece is encased so it hasn't got an ability of itself to 
possess Harry.

'"...The wizard intent upon creating a Horcrux would use the damage 
to his advantage: he would encase the torn portion -"
"Encase? But how -?"
"There is a spell, do not ask me, I don't know!" said Slughorn, 
shaking his head...'

(HBP "Horcruxes" p.465 UK edition)

So Voldemort would have to be close to Harry in order to use the 
spell at the appropriate time. We also know:

'"He made seven Horcruxes?" said Harry, horror-struck...

..."I am glad to see that you appreciate the magnitude of the
problem," said Dumbledore calmly. "But, firstly, no, Harry, not seven
Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides
inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a
spectral existence for so many years during his exile: without that,
he has no self at all."' 

(ibid. p.470)

It has already often been suggested that Voldemort hasn't got much of 
his soul left but your point implies that he will have to kill again 
and use the soul piece to make Harry a Horcrux. But if he wants to do 
this, that would then destroy another piece of his soul unless he 
kills him first. What would that do to Harry as a potential 
possession candidate? Or am I going in circles here?

But, looking at it purely from the mechanics of Book 7, Harry's 17th 
birthday will occur during the summer holidays before his entry into 
the Second Year Sixth Form. So, if our villainous friend was to carry 
out your idea successfully, Book 7 could be very short...... :-)