What will happen to The Order o t Phoenix

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 142332

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "lucianam73" <lucianam73 at y...>
wrote:
>
> Magda Grantwich wrote:
> > (snipped)
> 
> > Personally I think that the Order is now irrelevent.  It played 
> > an active role in OOTP largely because the MoM was being 
> > difficult 
> > ...
> > 
> > And with Dumbledore's death, the Order has lost any ability it
> > had to make Voldemort and the DE's nervous.  ...
> > 

> Lucianam:
> 
> Hmm. Yes, but the members of the OotP are still the grown-ups Harry 
> can trust. The idea of Harry coming of age can be overestimated. I 
> think a seventeen year old is pretty much a child; he still needs 
> the help of adults.
> 
> I understand JKR's general idea of Harry going alone in his quest, 
> but I don't think it's practical and doubt she'll really carry it 
> on. Why would Harry not ask for help? ...
> 

bboyminn:

I'm with Lucianam on this one. It's true Harry always goes it alone,
but only in the final battle. He has plenty of help from friends
before getting to the final battle.

I also agree that that task at hand is just too big for Harry. There
is too much he doesn't know and far too much to do.

True, the Order has been substantially diminished by the loss of
Dumbledore. He, in a sense, was the guiding light. Dumbledore gave the
group purpose, direction, and focus, and those are the very things
they now lack to make them an effective organization. But they still
represent resources for Harry. Each member bringing his own strength
and talent to the mix. It's not so important that they are now members
of the Order, but it is important that Harry knows them and trusts them.

Also, too many people are again taking an all-or-nothing approach to
Harry asking for help. Either he is absolutely silent, speaking to no
one, or his is spilling his guts, telling everything he knows to
anyone who will listen; please, let's try to stay on the middle
ground. We know for a fact that Dumbledore never told anyone any more
than HE, Dumbledore, needed them to know. That was one of the very
frustrating things about him. Harry can certainly do the same. He can
enlist the help of Order members, asking them to trust him, and only
telling them the minimum they need to know to accomplish the task at
hand. That seem prefectly reasonable.

Again, the task at hand, is way more than Harry can possible handle.
He's not mature enough, he's not trained enough, he's not knowledgable
enough, and he's not wize enough in the way that Dumbledore was wise.
Perhaps that's what JKR intended, for Harry to be so overwhelmed that
the task would seem impossible, but on the otherhand, it really is
impossible without help.

> Lucianam:
>
> He's the only one who can kill Voldemort, but there's so much 
> else to be done. The Horcruxes ...have to be found and secured. 
> A way to destroy them has to be studied. Possibly destroying a 
> Horcrux is very dangerous so you'd need help from expert wizards
> ... There's the Death Eaters to be fought, there's Dementors, 
> werewolves, etc. 
> 
> I think Harry would be an arrogant fool if he didn't ask the Order 
> to help him out. 
> 
> Lucianam

bboyminn:

Again, I'm with Lucianam; the task is just too big for Harry to do it
alone, even if you add Ron and Hermione to the mix. If he has any
brains at all, he will discretely ask individual members of the Order
to assist him in very specific tasks, and in doing so, will reveal
only as much as they need to know to assist him.

I really can't see any other way that it can be done. I suspect it
will take Harry a certain amount of time to reach the point of asking
for help; that's not something he does very often. But at some point,
out of frustration, he will realize that his friends are his greatest
asset, and he will draw on those assest.

But, again, with Dumbledor gone, the Order will exist, but it will
stumble about relatively ineffective and directionless until Harry
takes over (unofficially) and enlists their help. That's when things
will start falling together.

So, some extent, I don't envy JKR, after all these years and all this
setup, she now has to deliver the final chapter to the story. Her road
is set, and there is little room for divergence. And, in reality, I'll
be stunned if she can effectively resolve all the hanging plot points.
Both the task of the character Harry, and the task of the author JKR,
seem totally insurmountable to me.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn