[HPforGrownups] Re: Will the DEs die if Voldy does?

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 139281

KathyK wrote:

> KathyK:
> 
> The Dark Mark fading could certainly be tied to LV's health or
> magical status.  But that doesn't mean the Death Eaters who wear the
> Mark are then tied to LV's life or death status.  If the Mark was a
> reflection of LV's existence, and the DE's were tied to it in such
> an intricate manner, would they not then have been weakened, also,
> while LV was in his Vapor state?  *That* they surely would have
> noticed, no?

KJ writes:

    Actually that is a very good point. One would wonder why, if he went 
to that much trouble, he didn't set it up so that he could draw power 
from them. It could be answered in his statement that he was so weak as 
to be helpless and was wandless, and so, unable to do so. So far JKR has 
not drawn a lot of attention to the Marks. They are just floating around 
out there and I think that they will have more importance in the last book.


> KathyK:

> However, just because *he* thinks the Death Eaters knew he was alive
> in some form, doesn't mean they actually did.  They may have, they
> may not have.  It doesn't really matter, because none of them is
> stupid enough to *say,* "Yeah, I didn't come looking for you because
> I thought baby Harry put you in your grave.  I didn't believe for
> one second you'd actually succeeded in your mad quest for
> immortality.  My bad."  No, they're taking their cues from LV.  He
> says he's taken steps to prevent his own death. There he stands,
> clearly alive.  He uses words like "gone."  Of course they're not
> going to utter the word "dead" in reference to him.  That might be a
> little suicidal.  Might get a little more than a few seconds of
> Cruciatus that Avery got.

KJ writes:
    Here, I can't agree with you entirely. If no one knew that Voldemort 
wasn't really dead, Dumbledore wouldn't have worried about protecting 
Harry, he would not have started wondering why V. wasn't dead and 
started horcrux hunting. I think a lot of the plot hinges on knowing 
that V. wasn't dead. Also, if V. was so convinced that he could not die, 
he would not have spent decades of his life making bloody well sure of 
it. He would have been vulnerable for years while in his horcrux making 
phase, and even afterward, he avoided Dumbledore. Only a person who 
believes that he can die, fears it.



KathyK
> How would she reveal this secret to us?  Would LV tell Harry in
> his great Tell All scene before he's finished?  A nice little subplot
> Harry & Co stumble over in their Horcrux search, leading to
> them warning the DE's and trying to find a way to stop it?  Would we
> not find out until after LV's defeated and they start finding DE
> bodies everywhere, and it will suddenly dawn on them what
> happened?  I don't know how she would work that into the plot in
> any convincing way. 

KJ writes:
     I think most of the key characters will end up killed in the final 
confrontation as Harry gets closer to penetrating the protective circle 
around Voldemort. It just amuses me to think of the obits in the 
aftermath as we find out that some unexpected people has just dropped 
dead or burned up like Dumbledore's hand. It has a certain elegance, and 
JKR can rest assured that she can never be forced into writing a sequel.

> And as someone who is quite Siriusly Snapey <g> mentioned to me off-
> list, what of our Marked Man, Severus Snape, should his life depend
> upon LV staying alive?  

KJ writes:
     Snape is my favourite character, hands down. There are innumerable 
ways that he can get himself killed sacrificing himself to the cause. 
Considering that my take on the end of the book places him in a position 
of strength, as an assassin, in order for him to truly sacrifice himself 
for the cause, he will be killed by his own foolishness in taking the 
Mark in the first place and by all the wrong choices of his life, rather 
than Harry.

KJ who has been wrong about almost everything else so far and see no 
reason why I should not be wrong about this. It is much more interesting 
than anything else I could be or should be doing.