An (interesting ?) parallel/ My doubts about Snape being Evil

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Irene:
> Actually, I don't believe we did. He expressed remorse
> to Aslan, and then Aslan told everyone something to
> the tune of "we will not speak of what happened ever
> again". But Edmund was the bravest one in the battle,
> and he was the key player in defeating the Witch. So,
> the words are cheap, but the deeds speak louder. :-)

Alla:

Ooops, then. As I said - am fuzzy on the details of those books. But 
I do agree with you that words are cheap and  Snape has plenty of 
deeds to speak for him or agains him, IMO


Alla earlier:
What do you think - does
> > Snape owe Harry a 
> > BIG apology for being complicit in his parents
> > death?
Irene: 
> Yes, right after the battle ends. Or right after Harry
> stops insisting on his right to keep his mind wide
> open for Voldemort, whichever comes first.

Alla:

OK, I am REALLY happy to hear it. I was afraid that you subscribe to 
the idea that Snape is so damaged that he should be excused from any 
responsibility for his actions.

Irene Mikhlin wrote:
> I don't like the idea of a debt you could never repay.
<snip>
> I'm struggling to make myself clear here. Imagine a
> couple, where one of the partners cheated on the
> other. So the cheater repents, and the other partner
> decides to forgive and forget. It's a very difficult
> thing to do. Lots of times the couple divorces anyway,
> because the wronged side holds the past sins over your
> head forever. You know, the unspoken threat: 'Don't
> you dare to criticise me in any way after what you've
> done to me'.
> 
> To bring it back to Hogwarts, if Dumbledore accepted
> Snape's defection from Voldie under condition that
> Snape will devote his life to repaying that debt, I
> guess Snape would have rather committed suicide there
> and then, because that's would not be life anyway.


Alla:

I am afraid I don't understand. You were arguing in your original 
post that just as Aslan forgave Edmund, Snape needs to be forgiven, 
right?

Well, I was responding that IMO Snape has wronged Harry SO badly that 
IF he is sorry indeed, I expect him to behave differently.


The only reason I talked about  "debt which could never be repaid" 
was to show that Snape does not behave, IMO only, as a person that 
owes any debt at all.

I was saying that in order for me as a reader to forgive Snape I need 
to see more ... I don't know humbleness from him. ( Yes, yes, I know  
he won't be Snape then if he would be humble, but we are talking 
about Snape who does not know that he is  in the book, right? Snape 
as a "real person", sort of. :-))

I am afraid I don't get your analogy about  the couple either. Are 
you thinking of Snape and Harry or Snape and Dumbledore?

Because if you are thinking of Snape and Harry as a couple, I 
certainly do not see any proof  that Snape repented to Harry. Oh, but 
yes, Snape holds James' sins over Harry's head forever :-)

I think I am confusing myself now. The bottom line to me is that I 
don't see Snape's behaving as remorseful person, but I do see him 
behaving as if Harry owes him something and THAT is in light of what 
Snape helped Harry's life to turn out is so despicable to me.



Colebiancardi:
<snip>
Snape didn't physically deliver the 
> Potter's to LV - but he was instrumental in delivering the 
message.  
> 
> I guess the old saying is right - People will SHOOT the messager.


Alla:

I think your analogy is flawed. Messenger has no choice as to 
delivery of the message. As far as we know Snape delivered prophecy 
to Voldemort out of his own volition.

So, yes, he is complicit  the way I see it.






Jazmyn:

> Something people seem to refuse to consider that in fact, it is 
> Draco that is resposible for Dumbledore's death.
<snip>
> Draco obviously let his mother know.. His mother got Snape involved 
> through an unbreakable curse.  The last part of which was promising 
to complete Draco's assignment if Draco failed.  If he doesn't do 
> so, he DIES.


Alla:

Oh, Draco certainly is plenty responcible for events on the Tower, no 
questions about it in my mind, ( listen to Harry, people, listen to 
him :-)),
but I missed the part where Narcissa forced poor Snape to take the 
Vow under Imperio or any other kind of duress. 

I mean per Neri's eloquent argument I definitely see Narcissa using 
seduction tactics on him, but Snape still has his brains, right? :-)


JMO of course,

Alla