Dumbledore and Harry WAS: Re: Apologies and responsibility

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No: HPFGUIDX 139400

> Lady Indigo:
> If Occlumency were completely unimportant, why would Dumbledore 
throw two 
> enemies into a room together and expect them to get along for the 
sake of 
> it? Unless it's supposed to be some attempt at mediation, in which 
case I'd 
> say Dumbledore's an idiot, but the Snape's guilt debate aside he's 
> definitely not.

Alla:

I think that there is a good chance that Dumbledore did exactly 
that - namely he was hoping that Snape and Harry will get along 
while they will learn more about each other. But I don't see it as 
sign of idiocy, more like Dumbledore's idealistic faith in Snape, 
IMO.



Lady Indigo:
> I think he put things like Harry's cheating and Occlumency aside 
for what he 
> felt was more important at the moment, especially in light of 
their 
> constantly learning about what Voldemort was and wasn't capable of.


Alla:

I think that Dumbledore put Occlumency aside permanently. I think 
that after OOP he realized that it is not going to be the most 
important tool to help Harry ( it is your heart that saved you).

I think Dumbledore finally understood Harry after MOM battle and 
correctly identified what Harry's main strength is. I think he 
pretty much knew it earlier, but did not realize that this is going 
to be Harry's main weapon. 

NOT closing his mind, something which we per JKR know Harry will 
never learn because even though he is damaged, he is honest about 
himself and does not repress his feelings.



 
> Lady Indigo said:
> I meant approaching someone more like Dumbledore, who they knew 
they could 
> trust and who could give them advice on how to best present this 
to the 
> Ministry so they'd be believed. So you honestly think that, 
barring the need 
> to save Ginny as soon as possible, their best course of action was 
to take 
> justice into their own hands, and throw Lockhart down in the 
Chamber with 
> them when they knew that he was incompetent and could easily be 
killed?


Alla:

Wasn't Dumbledore already dismissed as Headmaster at the time they 
went to Chamber? They could not approach him even if they wanted to, 
but in a sense Harry did ask for help from Dumbledore and received 
it , didn't he?

"However," said Dumbledore, speaking very slowly and clearly so that 
none of them could miss a word, " you will find that I will only 
truly have left this school when none here are loyal to me. You will 
also find that help will alwasy be given at Hogwarts to those who 
ask for it" - CoS, p.264, paperback.

And this quote:

"First of all, Harry , I want to thank you, " said Dumbledore, eyes 
twinkling again. "You must have shown me real loyalty down in the 
Chamber. Nothing but that could have called Fawkes to you" - CoS, 
p.332, paperback.


As to whether it was their best course of action, well, they did 
need to save Ginny ASAP and they had nobody to go to. Actually, they 
DID try to approach Lockhart first, as DADA teacher, so I'd say that 
yes they did everything they could.


JMO of course,

Alla