OFH!Snape scenario (Long)

[saraquel_omphale]

No: HPFGUIDX 139683

Ceridwen wrote: 
> This is really giving me ideas, anyway.  I'm wondering, now, if 
> Dumbledore hadn't been using Harry in 'the battle for Snape's 
>soul' 
> at that point, use the boy to show the man that there is more 
common 
> ground between them than he thinks.  Legilimency, used in teaching 
> Occlumency, would certainly reveal memories to Snape.  And, it 
did.  
> He even asked about the dog.  As has already been mentioned, and 
I'm 
> sorry I don't remember who, that may have been a Snapish way of 
> acknolwedging the similarity.

Saraquel: I think that you might have a good point here, Ceridwen.  
I think that it would be one of the things DD considered, although 
if DD thought about Snape finding out about Harry, he should also 
have considered the effect on Harry of having Snape, whom DD knows 
Harry hates, probing his mind.  I think seeing Harry's bullied past 
may well have had an effect on Snape and forced him to acknowledge 
Harry as more of an individual, rather than simply a clone of James.

There is another possibility which springs to mind, which is about 
Godric's Hollow.  Harry will have a memory of what happened, which 
Snape might get access to.  If DD really trusts Snape, he could be 
wondering if that might come to the fore.

I must admit to wondering how much DD really knows about what 
happened at GH. He has based his whole plan on what he thinks 
happened there.  He knows that Voldemort made horcruxes, but how 
much does he know about what happened in the explosion at GH? To 
make a plan of such monumental importance, with ignorance at the 
heart of it would be a huge gamble. JKR has implied in a round about 
way that there might have been someone else present. If there was, 
which side were they on, and has DD corkscrewed the information out 
of them?  I have lurking suspicions that it might well have been 
Snape, whose exceedingly large nose does seem to get into most 
plotlines in the book.  

Ceridwen wrote:
> And, I'm wondering now, and this is completely out of canon and 
spur 
> of the moment, if Dumbledore hadn't specified which memories to 
place 
> in the Pensieve, knowing Harry's inability to control his 
curiosity.  

Saraquel:
I doubt this. I don't think that Sanpe would have complied with 
that. Also, DD did not necessarily know about the scene which Harry 
witnessed.  I can't see Snape sitting down with DD and happily 
chatting about which ones of his appaulingly humiliating memories to 
pop into the pensieve for Harry to see. 

> There may be diversions during the course of the lessons to remove 
> Snape from the room (there were two, Trelawney's sacking and 
> Montague's return, did Dumbledore anticipate them? Or just 
> something?  Or merely hope something would happen, based on 
knowledge 
> gained from managing a school full of rambunctious fledgling 
> magicals?).  If Snape leaves, Harry would, if he follows his past 
> pattern, stick his head into the Pensieve and see the Marauders 
> tormenting Snape.

Saraquel:
No I can't go with you down that one either.

Ceridwen wrote: 
> Anyway, could Dumbledore have been trying to use Harry on Snape in 
> the same way he used him on Slughorn?  While I don't believe in a 
> fully Manipulative!Dumbledore, he is managing a war effort and has 
> troops beneath him, he has to manipulate to some extent to bring 
his 
> plans to fruition.  And having two powerful wizards wholeheartedly 
in 
> his camp would be an asset.

Saraquel:
I do think that DDs desire for Harry to learn occlumency was the 
main motivating factor.  He wasn't able to teach him himself, so 
that really only left one alternative - Snape.  As far as we know, n-
one else seems to have that particular skill.  That there may have 
been other benefits for DD, could be in the mix, butI don't think 
they were primary.
 
Saraquel
Who had pointed out to her by Geoff (thanks), that, reductio ad 
absurdum in one of her posts, morphed itself in recutio ad absurdum -
well really, how absurd :-)