Depth? Things to take on their face value (Was: Sirius' loyalty)

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No: HPFGUIDX 139811


> Jen:
> > Then we have the biggie, the one which is harder to accept: 
> > Dumbledore trusts Snape and since Dumbledore is so clever he 
> > sometimes makes comparatively 'huger' mistakes than the rest.
> Hmmmm. 
> > Still can't accept that one quite yet. Not because it would make 
> > Dumbledore a fool, since choosing to love and trust over feeling 
> > hate and suspicion are 'generally preferable' as DD (JKR) would
> say. 
> > But it would negate Dumbledore's life work, in a sense. He trusted 
> > someone he shouldn't have, allowed him into Hogwarts & the Order, 
> > and it led to death and destruction of many of the things he holds 
> > dear. And the chain is just beginning, the ramifications of 
> > Dumbledore's huge mistake would mount in Book 7 if Snape truly is 
> > working at Voldemort's side. If this one is true, the real 
> > redemption will be Harry righting Dumbledore's wrong. 
> > <snip list of consequences>
> 
> Pippin:
> I think we are to take Dumbledore's statements about life,
> the universe and everything at face value. It is our choices,
> it doesn't do to dwell on dreams and forget to live, killing is
> much more difficult than the innocent believe, and so on.
> 
> I think it will make things very complicated in the end to have
> Dumbledore be wrong about Snape. There will have to
> be a lot of  shoring up not to undermine the idea that people 
> are worth a second chance at trust. Is there any indication that 
> this teaching, among all the fatherly guff that Dumbledore hands
> out, is misguided? Well, Moody thinks it is, but his paranoia
> is not presented as something to admire.
> 

Neri:
I predict that two characters who are going to justify their second
chances will be Draco and possibly Kreacher.

Also, even if Snape betrayed Dumbledore's trust and killed him, it
might still be possible for Dumbledore to turn out right about Snape
in the end. For example in the Life Debt theory: Dumbledore trusted
Snape because Snape has a life debt to Harry. Dumbledore's giant
mistake was that he didn't realize Snape can betray him, since Snape's
debt is to Harry, not to Dumbledore. But Dumbledore's mistake only
brought his own death, while Snape still has to pay his debt to Harry,
and thus Dumbledore will still turn out right in the end.  

So we can have: 

(1) Snape is a bad man (face value), and 

(2) he indeed killed Dumbledore (face value) and 

(3) he hates Harry because he owes his life to James (face value),
which is why

(4) in the end he'll save the day so his second chance will be
justified (face value) and 

(5) Dumbledore will turn out right to trust him (face value), even though

(6) Dumbledore can make huge mistakes (face value).


And if you still want a bit of conspiracy and puppet-master!DD,
perhapshe had always known that Snape might betray him, and he was
ready to make this personal sacrifice in order to put Snape in
Voldemort's favor, the best position for him to help Harry.

Neri