Killing tears the soul apart redux. WAS: Re: Snape's penance?

[vmonte]

No: HPFGUIDX 139906

#139858
>Kemper:
...Makes me wonder what Snape's other way of dealing with Dementor's 
is. The Patronus is a wonderful charm for pushing Dementors away, it 
doesn't really defeat them in the long run. What if Snape's other way 
of dealing with Dementors converts/transforms/transfigures the 
Dementor back to a Soul? This way could be more dangerous because of 
the magic involved, distance required, or something else: making 
Harry think that the Patronus is a better option for many of the 
students.

vmonte responds:
He probably had to come up with a different way because he has no 
happy memories to create a patronus.


#139876
>a_svirn:
First you call it "non-lethal activity" that led to "events on the
Tower" now it's a "non-marital exercise". You make it sound as though
Draco was just mulling over an interesting scientific problem, when
the Death Eaters came forth from the cabinet as if out of the
cornucopia. The truth is, however, that it was an assassination plot,
one that was devised and executed by Draco. Moreover, it was a
SUCCESFUL assassination plot. And not only Draco was implicated in it,
he was instrumental to its success. Branded or not, he has done more
for the advancement of Voldemort's cause than his father and aunt put
together. Yes, allowances for his age and family circumstances should
be made, but no jury in the Universe – Potterverse included – would
proclaim him innocent.

vmonte:
Nice post, I agree. Draco has the dark mark.


>phoenixgod2000:
Why thank goodness for Dumbledore? Dumbledore has no authority to
give forgiveness or pass a benediction to Draco. The only people who
can do that are the ones he hurt or nearly killed. What would Bill,
Ron, and Katie think of Dumbledore calling Draco an *innocent* and
trying to get him into hiding so he can avoid the consequences of his
actions?

vmonte:
Good point! 


#139748 & 139885
>Lady Indigo:
I'm so glad I get to address this theory on here. A lot of what 
you've said here is almost word for word from John Granger at
hogwartsprofessor.com and I thought it was pretty much nonsense then, 
too. A lot of the 'evidence' behind this theory ignores or twists the 
canon, which explains and even outright disproves some of it.

vmonte:
I agree with you. Mr. granger is now trying to prove that Snape is 
part vampire. Get it - Half Prince of Darkness. 


>Lady Indigo:
I also think that if Rowling abandons a highly realistic, interesting
character for the old 'Slytherins are evil and watch out for the new
teacher' ploy, I'll be starting to lose my trust in her.

vmonte:
I feel the same way here. It makes more sense that Draco is talking 
about Zabini, Pansi, and probably someone from a different house. 
She'll probably show a bad kid from another house. What was the name 
of that kid that competed with Ron for Keeper? 


#139795
>Nora:
I'd offer the proposal that there are many things in the series which
JKR as the author *intends* to be taken at their face value, and
accepted by the reader. Correspondingly, this means that the
subversive readings (which do not accept these things) are highly
unlikely to receive any validation or confirmation in canon. Of
course, nothing can stop the determined theorist.

vmonte:
If you notice in book 6 everything that Harry claims is true. Not one 
person believed him. The answers he gets back from the different 
Order members sounds a lot like people who can't see anvil size hints.

Also, it's interesting that Zabini's mother is a sexual predator. 
She's been married "7" times and each man dies mysteriously. (Black 
widow spider comes to mind.) I think this kid is a sexual predator 
too.


#139895
>Deb:
Ummm, vmonte, there is nothing in the dream about Malfoy or Snape
wearing the turban! Only Harry was wearing the turban(foreshadowing of
LV getting into Harry's head in OOP?) and struggling with it in his
dream. It appears from the way JKR wrote the dream that first Malfoy
and then Snape were observing Harry as he struggled with the
tightening turban .... and Malfoy and the person with the "high cold
laugh" were finding his efforts very amusing.

vmonte:
Thanks Deb, I didn't have access to the books to go over that scene.
So, what do you think Snape was doing there?


#139857
>Derek:
Just a correction regarding Chapter 17 of PS/SS. The title of the 
chapter is "The Man with Two Faces", although I'm going by 
Philosopher's stone - Sorcerer's Stone may be different.

vmonte
Oooops! Thanks. And I said The Two Faced Man, right? 


#139893
>Nora thinks, from a literary point of view, that it would be both
hilarious and ballsy if Spinner's End was mostly Snape telling the
truth.

vmonte:
Me too.


#139894
Jen: What *would* scare Borgin, that's the question isn't it? The
dark mark doesn't sit well with me because it's hard to believe
Borgin hasn't seen a whole lot worse, given his age and business
dealings. "Yeah, yeah, some young punk just shoved a dark mark in my
face, like I haven't seen *that* before." Especially after we watch
oily Borgin interact with Lucius. Now Lucius would be someone to
fear, for his money and power let alone his past affiliation with
Voldemort, and Borgin basically made fun of him behind his back.

vmonte:
Really Jen? I think Borgin would be afraid if Draco showed him the 
dark mark. Haven't several people died and/or disappeared recently? 
Doesn't having the mark mean that you belong to that particular 
group?   


Vivian