Dealing with Dementors: Harry v Snape, Love v Happy

Kemper iam.kemper at gmail.com
Sat Sep 10 18:23:44 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 139931

Kemper earlier in another thread:

My impression of the 'breeding' of Dementors was that a Dementor is 
created/conceived by sucking out the soul of its victim. So the soul isn't 
destroyed; it is transformed. Going with the Conservation Law of Energy 
model up-thread with regards to the Soul, the Soul is converted to a 
Dementor. 

Makes me wonder what Snape's other way of dealing with Dementor's is. The 
Patronus is a wonderful charm for pushing Dementors away, but it doesn't 
really defeat them in the long run. What if Snape's other way of dealing 
with Dementors converts/transforms/transfigures the Dementor back to a Soul? 
This way could be more dangerous because of the level of magic involved, the 
distance required, or something else: making Harry think that the Patronus 
is a better option for many of the students. 

>vmonte responded:
He probably had to come up with a different way because he has no
happy memories to create a patronus.

>zgirnius questioned vmonte:
Isn't this how he communicates with others in the Order? Seems like he
would have to be able to do this...
vmonte responded to zgirnius:
I don't know, really. But it seems curious that Snape has a different method 
than the norm.
<snip>
 Why would Snape not agree with Harry's method when Harry is so obviously 
great at this skill. This skill seems to be really tied into the Harry is 
full of love and goodness theme. This is Harry's own talent, not something 
he picked up from Voldemort. Harry has the ability to banish the lowest form 
of life, the soul sucking dementors. Creatures whose whole purpose in life 
is to destroy other people, and the only way to get rid of them is to 
understand true love. It's not enough to be happy about the first day you 
ride a broom or your first quidditch win, which are rather selfish memories. 
You need to remember a happy memory involving friendship and love of others. 

 Now, Kemper challenges:
 First, Snape has a different method than what *Harry* considers the norm. 
 Second, I question whether the skill is tied into love and goodness:

"'I heard, from my dear friend Tiberius Ogden, that you can produce a 
Patronus? For a bonus point...?'
Harry raised his wand, looked directly at Umbridge, and imagined her being 
sacked.
'Expecto Patronum!'" (OP, 714, US Hard) 

Imagining someone being sacked is not a thought filled with love nor 
goodness. But it sure is a happy thought! Nevertheless, it is a thought 
rooted in resentment/spite/loathing for Umbridge... who rightly deserves 
Harry's contempt. Who else could have a Patronus created by imagining a DADA 
professor being sacked? What if that DADA professor were Lockhart? Lupin? 
Moody!CrouchJr? and, for sure, Umbridge? I'm guessing Snape.
But back to topic: Having Dementors around would make producing a patronus 
harder, but if a Dementor would have suddenly appeared during after Harry's 
patronus in his DADA O.W.L., I have no doubt that Harry's Patronus, created 
from a bit of self-righteous contempt, could have successfully charged and 
scared off that Dementor... easily.
 Thoughts?
 Kemper


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