Draco the Death Eaters and Voldemort (was: Re: Draco's culpability...)

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No: HPFGUIDX 139948

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "horridporrid03" 
<horridporrid03 at y...> wrote:
> > >>Betsy Hp:
> > > <snip> 
> > > Draco gains no lethal skills.  That interests me.  
> 
> > >>a_svirn:
> > Why is it of so great interest? So what if Draco didn't learn 
> > any "lethal skills"?
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Because it doesn't fit neatly into the "Draco is a coldhearted, 
> murdering little bastard" theory.  At all.  JKR could easily have 
> had Draco creating a magical bomb; instead she has him restoring a 
> piece of furniture.  It backs up, IMO, Dumbledore's contention 
that 
> Draco is not a killer.  A killer would have worked on something 
that 
> kills.  Draco worked on opening a door.  

Marainne:
I have to jump in here.  Draco is not a killer at this point simply 
because others have prevented it.  Sure, Draco's target is DD, but 
the only reason that either Katie Bell or Ron did not die is due to 
happenstance.  The only reason Draco is not a coldhearted, murdering 
little bastard is that his unintended victims just happened to be 
rescued. Draco worked on opening a door, but he also worked on a 
lethal necklace and poisoned mead.


 Betsy Hp:
> Within the Christian tradition one doesn't need to be Jesus or 
> infallibal to hear confession or to give a benediction.  Far from 
> it, actually.  Any authority Dumbledore has comes from his love 
for 
> Draco and his interest in his welfare.  Actually, the way I read 
it 
> (and others may well disagree since this is getting into my own 
> belief system) Dumbledore opens the way for Draco to forgive 
> himself.  After all, it's Draco who fears he's a killer.  It's 
Draco 
> who's suffered the most for the path he's been taken down.  It's 
> Draco who is most in danger, IMO.  Dumbledore gives Draco the 
chance 
> to choose a different way. Which is well within his rights as 
> Headmaster of Draco's school, both morally and legally, I think.

Marianne:
Well, sure Draco may fear he is a killer. His actions could have 
killed either Katie or Ron (or both), let alone Dumbledore.  I have 
a little problem with the idea that Draco has suffered the most for 
the path he's been taken down. Has he suffered more than his 
unintended victims?  

> > >>Phoenixgod:
> > One thing I don't think I heard you say was what sort of 
punishment
> > Draco should recieve for his actions. Even if there were 
mitigating
> > circumstances there should be a consequence to his actions. After
> > all, it wasn't like he was being held at gunpoint. He kept up his
> > actions even after he was safely behind the wards of hogwarts 
and 
> > he could have gone to dumbledore at any time. Should he have 
his   
> > wand snapped? should he be imprisoned? What should happen to 
him   
> > according to you?
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> First of all, it's *exactly* like he was being held at gunpoint.  
> (Well, wandpoint if we want to be fully literal.)  And he *wasn't* 
> safe behind the wards.  Even Dumbledore knows that.  He 
specifically 
> tells Draco so on the Tower.  It's why Dumbledore couldn't 
approach 
> him.  And not only is Draco's life on the line, but his mother's 
as 
> well.  (Why does this always get overlooked?  It's curious.)
> 
> As to punishment, how about having his chest and face slashed open 
> and nearly dying on a bathroom floor?  There's a certain poetic 
> justice to it, don't you think?  And, as Pippin points out, he's 
> taken out of Hogwarts, away from his friends, and possibly given 
to 
> Voldemort. That's more than enough to my mind.  (Though I'm 
betting 
> JKR will have more things in store for Draco.  She does seem to 
> enjoy making him bleed.)

Marianne:
Draco has always had the option of refusing to play Voldemort's 
game. Sure, he's held at gun (wand) point.  He can still always 
say "No." Had he refused at some point during the school year to 
continue on his quest to kill DD, then that would be the end. Sure, 
he might have died and in addition Narcissa may have been killed.  
But, that would have undercut Vmort's designs on killing DD, and 
would perhaps have benefitted the WW to a great degree than what has 
happened at least in part due to Draco's pursuit of his quest.

Betsy:
> Now here's a question for you.  What punishment should the twins 
> face for nearly killing Montague?  (Who they attacked on purpose 
and 
> for which they've yet to show the slightest remorse.)

Marianne:
Whatever is acceptable in the fullest extent of the law. Yes, I 
think that Fred and George deserve punishment for what they did. I 
also think that, so far, Draco has gotten away relatively lightly 
for his sins.  As has DE Snape.  I want punishment for all of them.