Hard time for Snape?(was Re: Draco the Death Eaters and Voldemort)

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> Julie:
> I don't think Snape wanted to spend those years prior to 
Voldemort's
> return in Azkaban. But he could have gone into hiding, something DD
> could have arranged if *DD* wanted to do so. But I also believe the
> reason DD vouched for Snape is because Snape agreed to help 
> him defeat Voldemort. 

Alla:

I am not sure I agree, Julie. For all we know( unless I forgot 
something in canon of course), Dumbledore vouched for Snape 
unconditionally, no strings attached, as long as Snape showed 
genuine remorse. That seems to me to be more in character for 
Dumbledore,as I read him of course, than saving Snape only if Snape 
does something for Dumbledore.

If Snape was truly remorseful, I believe that he chose to pay the 
debt that he owed  to Light side, if I may, after he became DE.


Julie:

Part of that deal probably also involved 
> protecting Harry. And Snape teaching at Hogwarts keeps him near
> DD, so DD can both protect and keep an eye on him, and where
> Snape can also help protect Hogwarts and strategize with DD once 
> Voldemort returned. 

Alla:

Again, do we have a proof that Dumbledore saved Snape from Azkaban 
only IF Snape agrees to something? I believe that it is more of 
fandom creation which of course leads to Puppetmaster!Dumbledore,   
which I am very doubtful of. JMO, of course.




Julie: 
> I do think Snape was grateful to be saved from Azkaban. And what
> better way to show gratitude than to serve DD in the above manner?
> And to put his life on the line while doing so? My point about not 
> getting the position he preferred doesn't negate that gratitude. I 
was 
> just point out that Snape being at Hogwarts all these years 
teaching,
> and later protecting Harry, may not--probably isn't--how he would  
have
> chosen to spend his life, before he limited his choices with his 
own 
> regrettable actions (telling Voldemort about the prophecy). 


Alla:

Oh, but Snape made a choice - to join Voldemort, no? After he 
renounced Voldemort, IF he truly did, he does not have much  choice 
left, IMO, IF he truly decided to behave as a decent person. Again, 
IMO.

What do you mean, that is not how Snape would have chosen to spend 
his life? He does not have much options left, IMO and what I am 
saying that Dumbledore gave him the easiest one, which is possible 
for  the decent person.

Again, I think that having  a nice life of Hogwarts professor is 
much better than Azkaban cell, even if you think that Voldie will 
return eventually and you may need to fight him.


Julie:  
> In the end, he did get a nice deal for 12 years, before Harry 
showed 
> up at Hogwarts and Voldemort returned. But then came the time 
> Snape probably dreaded (but still has willingly faced), the time 
to  pay
> up. (Another reason why he must have been less than thrilled to see
> Harry Potter arrive at Hogwarts!) If Snape does turn out to be DD's
> man, then he's certainly been meeting that obligation.


Alla:

Well, yes, of course and that is what I had been saying. I am just 
arguing that as part of his penance, Snape got off much easier than 
he should have been, IMO.


 
Julie:

> Oh, and as for Harry...yes, he's a student so Snape has a duty
> to protect him. But he doesn't have a duty to go *out of his way*
> to do so, as he did when he saved Harry from Quirrell in PS/SS.
> He didn't have to do that, as no one but himself seemed aware
> of Quirrell's plans. He could have let Harry die then and there, 
and
> been done with him, done with everything, without any blame 
> being placed on him. 



Alla:

I disagree that Snape went out of his way in PS/SS. I think that 
being a former(?) DE, he recognised the dark curse faster than any 
other teacher and reacted faster. But that is JMO of course.




JMO,

Alla