That darn Prophecy again.. Re: Thin air/Choices

[saraquel_omphale]

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Saraquel:
Who steps out for an hour or two in order to keep her own body and 
soul together on this earth by looking for work, and comes back to 
no less than 16 pages of speculation (I know, I printed out the 
whole thread, so that I could read and absorb!)  As per usual, I 
have a bit of a different take on things.

Valky wrote:
>2. Do Horcruxes figure in the prophecy?

Saraquel:
HPB UK ed p203, end of House of Gaunt.
`Sir
 is it important to know all this about Voldemort's past?'
`Very important, I think,' said Dumbledore.
`And it 
 it's got something to do with the prophecy?'
`It has everything to do with the prophecy.'
Ok, so for what it's worth DD thinks that Voldemort's history, which 
is really the story of his Horcurxes, has everything to do with the 
prophecy.  But is it the Horcruxes themselves that are important, or 
what they reveal about Voldemort's psyche?

When LV was Vapormort, the only power he credited himself with 
having was the power to possess other bodies.  Are we agreed that 
the thing that survived GH was the remains of LV's disfigured soul?  
If it was, then I'm going to make the assumption that this is the 
only power that the soul itself possesses (sorry, no pun intended), 
all other powers are not innate to the soul. In CoS, everything is 
done through possession of Ginny.

The only power which we know for sure that Voldemort has passed on 
to Harry is parseltongue.  So, heaven knows what powers are, but it 
appears that they do not reside in the soul.  I suspect that they 
might reside in the hand – after DD destroyed the Horcrux and his 
hand died his powers were greatly diminished – Snape and I think DD 
says so. Correct me if I'm wrong.  We also know that there is a 
connection through the mind which could imply legilimency and that 
being in close physical proximity to LV makes Harry's scar hurt.

So let's say that something of LV is in Harry, hopefully there is 
enough of a loophole to say that it is not a piece of Voldemort's 
soul – but exactly what it is I don't know.  The eeew factor is 
about to come in here when I say it might be a bit of his hand or 
perhaps his brain – or it might be something non-physical. I'm still 
desperately holding out for Harry not being an accidental horcrux – 
can't you tell :-) And there is the quote in PS?, where DD says LV 
transferred some of his powers.

The nature of Harry's access to LV seemed to change after GoF 
rebirth.  When some of Harry was put into LV, his blood, Harry 
started to experience Voldemort's emotions. Now, I'm going to 
suggest a two way link here.  That the reason Harry started to feel 
LVs emotions is because, emotions, as opposed to powers, are in the 
blood.  The protection of Lily's sacrifice of Love, runs in his 
blood and therefore touches every part of his body.  So through 
Harry's scar, there is access to each other's minds and through the 
blood connection there is access to feeling.

At the moment, I think the access which LV has to Harry's feelings 
is being cut off by the charm which DD placed to seal Lily's 
sacrifice, but on the stroke of midnight, on the 31st July, that 
will cease and there will be two way communication on that level as 
well.  Harry has been protected, shielded by that charm, his blood 
has been hidden behind it, so to speak, so up until now he can feel 
LVs emotions but LV hasn't had access to Harry.

OK – finally – the prophecy.

The one with the power to vanquish.  Harry has the power of love in 
his heart and even at times of extreme anguish is able to feel 
love.  Because Voldemort took some of Harry's blood, there is now a 
channel, through which love can flow into Voldemort even if he is 
not possessing Harry.  

A little piece of each of them resides in the other, and is still 
connected to its original owner.  We know that DD keeps stressing 
the power of choice.  So in book 7, Harry and Voldemort do not even 
have to meet for the battle to begin.  Essentially, at first the 
battle is internal to both of them – trying to fight off the 
increasing influence which the other is having through the links 
between them. 

Is this the `Neither can live while the other survives.'  The will 
which Valky was talking about is being subjected to pressure from 
the foreign invader in both of them.  They cannot live freely, 
express their free will, because of the presence of the other within 
them. So neither of them can live while the other (this is in fact 
referring to two separate things – the other being the foreign bit.) 
survives.  

Either must die at the hand of the other is more problematic, 
because we don't really understand what dying is.  But my guess is 
that it will involve, not just an internal battle for Harry to save 
his immortal soul, but a physical confrontation as well. this needs 
much more thouht before I commit it to a post.

There were so many interesting threads to follow up from the 
discussion, especially about GH, but I have been invited to dinner 
tonight and cannot spend more time at the moment.  However – to give 
you a taster of what I want to introduce into our considerations – I 
have tucked away two instances of Hermione commenting on some of the 
twins magic, and I am wondering if one might be relevant to sorting 
out GH.  Forgive me, no time to search for canon reference –  the 
comment that she makes about the vanishing head hat and the fact 
that the charmed area extends *beyond* the object charmed. The 
second, which might prove useful in the battle with LV,  is in HBP –
  where you can buy a daydream which lasts for half and hour – 
presumably you actually enter a faux reality, but feel you are in it.

Is a Horcrux a charmed object?  I think it might well be.  If LV was 
trying to make a Horcrux at GH, did Lily step into the space around 
something that was being charmed. Do you see what I mean?  Might 
that have caused something to happen?

I also have a problem with the whole notion of Harry surviving an 
AK.  If Lily stepped in front of him, then she took the hit of the 
AK and it never got to Harry.  On numerous occasions in the battle 
between LV and DD in the Ministry, things or magical birds came 
between people and an AK.  But no-one is suggesting that Harry or 
DD `survived' these AKs.
Got to go now.  Will have more time tomorrow to discuss points that 
people made.  Sorry for not directly addressing your comments folks, 
it was a great read!

Saraquel