Spinner's End--further evidence for DDsMan!Snape??

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No: HPFGUIDX 140143


> houyhnhnm:
> 
> Rebecca suggested the latitude of Aberdeen.(Message 140096)  I don't
> think the date is given but it is about a week before the end of term,
> around the time of the solstice.
> 
> U.S. Naval Observatory
> Astronomical Applications Department
> 
> Sun and Moon Data for One Day
> 
> The following information is provided for Aberdeen (longitude W2.1,
> latitude N57.1):
> 
>         Wednesday
>         21 June 1995          Universal Time                 
> 
>                          SUN
>         Begin civil twilight      02:03                 
>         Sunrise                   03:12                 
>         Sun transit               12:10                 
>         Sunset                    21:08                 
>         End civil twilight        22:18        
> 
> (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html)

Neri:
Yes, your numbers are very close to Shawn and Steve's numbers in the
posts I mentioned up-thread. What you forgot is summer daylight saving
time. Add one hour to all your times and you get approximately the
times I used in my timeline.

If you think wizards don't use DST, that doesn't really matter. All
the important canon times in this timeline are relative to the sun,
not hours on the clock, so DST is just a convention here. If you don't
use it everything changes nominally by one hour and the period of
Snape's delay stays the same.

 
> houyhnhnm:
> 
> That was a year later, after LV had come out into the open and
> Dumbledore had been exonerated.  The situation was very different at
> the time Umbridge caught Harry in the fire.  DD was on the run.  The
> Order was threatened by the Ministry, which had seized control of
> Hogwarts in the person of Dolores Umbridge, more than it was
> threatened by Voldemort at that time.
>

Neri:
Still, we don't know of any aurors or Ministry people at Hogwarts
during the day of the DoM battle. Only Umbridge was there, and she ran
to the forest. The Inquisitorial Squad was flattened by Ron and Co. so
I see no reason why Snape couldn't bring in disguised Order members.
The evidence from HBP only goes to show that this isn't impossible for
some mysterious canon reason we aren't aware of.

 
> houyhnhnm:
> 
> Why?  I'm not able to imagine your scenario.  How would Voldemort know
> that Snape needed to alert the Order? Snape would have had to tell
> him.  Tell Voldemort that he sabotaged LV's most important mission,
> got a dozen of his Death Eaters sent to Azkaban, outed him to the
> Ministry of Magic, and got DD back in the good graces of the WW again?
>  And Voldemort just waved his hand and said "Well, you had to maintain
> your cover"? I think Snape would be dead, loyal DE or not.

Neri:
The question is if Voldemort gave Snape any orders *before* the
operation. In Spinner's End Snape said that he did get orders to "stay
behind". If this was indeed so, Snape might have told Voldemort:
"Master, as the last Order member at Hogwarts I'll be expected to look
after Potter. If I never contact them to report that he's missing this
is likely to blow my cover, and you would lose your agent inside the
Order". At this point Voldemort would say either: "I don't care, this
is more important than your cover" or he'd say: "Well then, only when
you're sure it's too late for the Order to save Potter, then you can
alert them, and it's up to you to find a good excuse why you were
delayed. I'm sure you'll manage something".

If Snape wasn't warned at all, not even "just stay out of it", then
Voldemort can't expect him to know what should he do when Potter gets
a vision about Sirius in the DoM, and he can hardly blame Snape for
attempting to maintain his cover.   

Neri