Keep Harry Horcrux Free Challenge!

saraquel_omphale saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 14 11:09:52 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 140151

>Cerwidwen wrote:
> This is where I would, regretfully, slip into thinking Harry is a
> horcrux, 
>
>Jen: You and me both, the 'regretfully' part :). As much as I
>personally dislike the idea, the evidence keeps stacking up. Every
>argument I think of has a counter-argument.
>
>Saraquel:
>I don't know why I think Harry is not a horcrux, but I've always
>thought it <snip> I've thought of a lot of arguments for him not
>being one, <snip> Maybe I should put all the arguments in one post 
>and see, as Jen says, if there is a counter argument to each and 
>every one of them.

Saraquel:
OK, I'm coming out fighting – here's the list in no particular 
order, some of them have already had counter-arguments against them, 
but not all.  Please feel free to either come up with a counter 
argument, or add to the list!

1 )Evidence from Chamber of Secrets. 
The Horcrux in the diary fed off Ginny in order to bring itself to 
life. If Harry was a Horcrux, intentional or not, that piece of soul 
would have been really trying to suck the life out of him and bring 
itself to life, particularly as Voldemort lost his body in the 
attempt.  Although, we can see dark influences in Harry's nature – 
the attempts at unforgivable curses for instance – it doesn't seem 
to me that he has had to fight off the attempts of a Horcrux to 
bring itself to life. Plus, Harry was only a baby when this event 
occurred so absolutely helpless. 
  
2)Why does Voldmort need to use legilimency?
If Harry was a Horcrux, embodied Voldemort wouldn't need to access 
Harry's mind through legilimancy, the Horcrux would presumably do it 
for him and Voldemort would know simply by being aware of that part 
of his soul.  If Voldemort suspected that Harry was a Horcurx, which 
surely he must have thought about, he would have made efforts to re-
connect with that part of himself and not IMO be so dismissive of 
Harry and so quick to AK him at the Ministry, knowing that he was 
AKing his own soul.

3)Dumbledore in CoS
Uk Ed COS p245
"Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to
you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to
do, I'm sure 
"
"Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said thunderstruck.
"It certainly seems so."
DD seems to think that what was transferred to Harry was Voldemort's 
*powers* not a bit of his soul.

4)Wizards and Muggles
This one is my favourite and I think the most difficult to counter.
Presuming that both wizards and muggles both have souls - there is 
no cannon evidence to support this, but I feel reasonably confident 
that it is so.  The difference between muggles and witches (let's 
have gender balances here) is their magical ability – their powers.  
It therefore seems to me that magical powers are a separate entity 
to the soul. Hence making Harry a horcrux would not necessarily 
endow him with Voldemort's powers.  So if you then argue that some 
powers were also transferred when Harry was made a horcrux – I 
simply reply, why bother with the soul bit – why not just leave it 
at powers? 

5) Dumbledore in HBP
UK Ed p473
"I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your 
death. As we know, he failed."  I really think DD would have thought 
about the accidental scenario.

Plus 3 courtesy of Jen in post 140041 
6) Even though I personally love the idea Harry is gifted in
destroying the Horcruxes in a way DD is not, the diary did not have
any curses upon it the way the ring did. So we can't know that for
sure yet.

7) Harry did not feel any affinity at all for the locket at 12 GP,
if indeed it is a Horcrux, nor could he open it, same as the others
present.

8) In the cave, DD said: "I think we must resign ourselves to the
fact that they [Inferi] will, at some point, realize we're not Lord
Voldemort." (chap. 26, p. 564) And they do!! I know this is pitiful
little evidence, but I think if Harry is somehow recognized to have
part of Voldemort in him, the Inferi would not bother him.
	

I'd also like to thank Brothergib for having mercy on me and 
suggesting a wonderfully fanciful theory to get Voldemort's powers 
into Harry.  I loved it, but think, as you said in your second post, 
the simplest explanations are always the best!

>Borthergib wrote:
>What if Voldemort had succeeded in making Harry a Horcrux that 
>night at GH. But the love flowing through him from his mother's 
>sacrifice had violently expelled the Horcrux. This left the 
>lightning shaped scar (as with the ring) and destroyed GH as well 
>as Voldemort. Harry would possess many of Voldemort's powers having 
>once been touched by Voldemort's soul, but would not technically be 
>a Horcrux any longer!!

Yes Brothergib, this has promise!  It had occurred to me that the 
scar might represent something coming *out* of Harry, rather than 
something going in.  I was toying with an idea that Voldemort was 
planning to make Harry into a Horcrux at GH, the ultimate 
humiliation for Harry – to in effect be ruled by Voldemort's soul 
from babyhood.  But then that wouldn't square with him wanting to 
use Harry's murder to do it – I ended up with a Horcrux!Inferi <g>

Saraquel










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