Keep Harry Horcrux Free Challenge!

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 140167

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "saraquel_omphale" 
<saraquel_omphale at y...> wrote:
 
> Saraquel:
> 3)Dumbledore in CoS
> Uk Ed COS p245
> "Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to
> you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to
> do, I'm sure 
"
> "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said thunderstruck.
> "It certainly seems so."
> DD seems to think that what was transferred to Harry was 
Voldemort's 
> *powers* not a bit of his soul.

Geoff:
In support of the above, on the The Old Crowd sister group, I wrote 
in message 3196 a couple of days ago:

<quote>
'"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry," said Dumbledore calmly, "because
Lord Voldemort - who is the last remaning descendant of Salazar
Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he
transferred some of those powers to you the night he gave you that
scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure..."
"Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said, thunderstruck.
"It certainly seems so." '

(COS "Dobby's Reward" UK edition p.245)

Dumbledore speaks of powers which to me smacks of intellect. It is
Harry who uses the word "bit". Although Dumbledore seems to concur 
withHarry, there is probably no reason for him to play with semantics 
over Harry's words.

We do know that he began to realise that Voldemort had created
Horcruxes at about this time.

'Dumbledore paused for a moment, marshalling his thoughts and then
said, "Four years ago, I received what I considered cetain proof that
Voldemort had split his soul."
"Where?" asked Harry. "How?"
"You handed it to me, Harry," said Dumbledore. "The diary, Riddle's
diary, the one giving instructions on how to reopen the Chamber of
Secrets."'

(HBP "Horcruxes" p.467 UK edition)

He later says to Harry:
"I am sure that he was intending to make his final Hoorcrux with your
death."

(ibid. p.473)

So, does this mean that Voldemort had lost a piece of soul to Harry
without realising it? That he was still planning to kill Harry and 
make a Horcrux and would unknowingly be destroying one anyway?

I think we can only speculate on this - as we have been doing for days
on how tangible is a soul or a mind - but I am minded to stick with my
view that the transfer of powers was of the mind and not of the soul.
</quote>

In message 140157, Caius Marcius wrote:

> But the sword was used to destroy the diary - so the theory of 
> Horcrux!GG-Sword that gives us the same problem as Horcrux!Harry, 
> unless we want to postulate a sort of civil war between the various 
> fragments of Voldemort's soul. 

Geoff:
If I may disagree, the sword of Gryffindor was not used to destroy 
the diary....

'Then, in a rush of wings, Fawkes soared back overhead and something 
fell into Harry's lap - the diary.

For a split second, both Harry and Riddle, wand still raised, stared 
at it. then, without thinking, without considering, as though he had 
meant to do it all along, Harry seized the Basilisk fang on the floor 
next to him and plunged it straight into the heart of the book.'

(COS "The Heir of Slytherin" p.237 UK edition)