Magical Power Was :Keep Harry Horcrux Free Challenge

[ellecain]

No: HPFGUIDX 140347


> Elyse wrote:
> >In PoA Lupin says if your soul is sucked out you become "an
> >empty shell" devoid of thought, feeling, you simply exist. So this
> >indicates not only that the mind and personality is a function of
> >the but also that your magical power - the ability to harness 
magic 
> >out of ether or whatever - still resides in you. Only now that 
you 
> >have lost your mind you cannot use it.
> 
> Saraquel:
> I can't quite follow you here, are you saying that because Lupin 
did 
> not actually specify that you lost your magical powers as well, 
that 
> they therefore must still be in you?  If so, I'm not totally 
> convinced about that as evidence.

Elyse:
No, this is not based on Lupin's words, really.
It is just my conclusion from the various combinations of 
soul, mind, magical power in the books.
For instance,
we have Muggles, who possess soul, mind, body, but no magical power.

then we have wizards who have soul, mind, body, and magical power.

then there are Squibs who have soul, mind, body, but no magical 
power.

then youve got a victim of soul sucking who does not have a soul or 
a mind/personality but body and presumably magical power remain 
intact.

Ghosts are souls who do not have bodies, cannot wield magical power
but their mind/personality stays with them.

Portraits, which are not souls, do not have bodies or magical powers
but seem to be a retention of the person's personality or mind.

And finally, Voldemort, who had a piece of a soul, which, when 
ripped out of his body,and still contained his mind/ personality.
We can speculate that he did keep his magical power since he says
"Any spell that could have restored me required the use of a wand"
 - a wand he could not hold because he did not have a body.

But I wonder about his powers remaining attachesd to his soul since 
Harry got them with the rebounded AK and Riddle in the diary
had them even though he was only a memory.

>From this I believe that the soul, the mind or personality
the body and magical power are separate components.
I daresay I may be wrong, but I'm sure someone can argue for this 
better than I can.
Elyse

> 
> Ceridwen wrote:
> >(Going off on a tangent here, could the power source reside in the
> >heart? If someone who is not magical does perform magic in book 7,
> >could it be because they have found their heart/courage in a
> >desperate situation, like mothers who heave cars off their kids?
> >And, if being 'heartsick' over a lost or oblivious love can 
diminish
> >one's magic, then that would be a heart effect, too)

Ceridwen wrote again: BIG SNIP> 
So, I would place the power center of magic in 
the heart specifically, and if it then powers the magic in the 
blood, 
then that makes sense.  When there is a disconnect in the emotions 
of 
the heart, the magic suffers.

Elyse: I really like this idea.
The question over which we should have obsessed, to me, 
is where magical power resides.
Maybe thats why Dumbledore had to cut himself
and spill blood when they went to retrieve the Horcrux.
Spilling blood would make your magical powers weaker,
thus diminishing your chances of destroying the horcrux or getting 
out of the cave alive.

Elyse