Varioius replies - Snape, Secret Keeper bait and switch.

M.Clifford Aisbelmon at hotmail.com
Sun Sep 18 04:14:35 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 140387

Elyse:
> The Slytherin gang doesnt cut it with me. I see them as the
> peer pressure exerted to use the Dark Arts.

Valky:
I don't know how that conclusion can be drawn, to be honest. We have
it on a decent enough authority that Snape came to Hogwarts already
deeply interested in Dark Arts. And after HBP, we have gotten all the
confirmation we need about it haven't we? Snape speaks of Dark Arts in
 loving tone, he invents curses of a highly insidious nature. 

His Dark Arts interest is of his own volition, the impetus is *in
Snape himself*. With so much evidence against it, peer pressure
doesn't cut it for me.

Lolita:
Just how did DUMBLEDORE know where to send Hagrid when the place was
hidden by Fidelius Charm? Pettigrew outed the Secret to LV, not to
him.

Valky:
I read this very differently to most people. I think Hagrid was given
the secret, letterform, probably by Sirius shortly after the change in
Secret Keeper. Dumbledore, possibly wasn't. 

Sirius and Hagrid must have been given the secret. It's that simple,
they turned up at Godrics Hollow while Harry was still under SK
protection it seems, hence the SK did not work against them.

Just because Sirius wasn't the Secret Keeper, doesn't preclude him
from knowing the secret. He just couldn't share it with anyone. Same
with Hagrid and whoever else among the order who were likely sent
messages from the Potters after they changed SK to Peter. 

Recall that this was a severely cloak and Dagger affair, Sirius' plan
was always intended to *hide* the indentity of the real secret keeper,
and bait Voldmeort to chase him to the ends of the earth where he
would gladly die with nothing to give. That was the brilliant plan, it
really was quite ingenious, and I doubt very much the James, Lily and
Sirius botched it. They probably concocted a way to have Sirius be
percieved as delivering the secret to the known trusted, but it would
be Peters handwriting that these people would actually get the secret
from. It was a bait and switch, so everyone was supposed to believe
Sirius was the Secret Keeper. 

This is also why I believe Dumbledore was never shown Peters note,
Dumbledore is too clever, he would quickly figure out that Sirius
wasn't the real secret keeper, questions in *anyone's* mind that
Sirius was not the Secret Keeper *had* to be avoided at all cost (even
losing Dumbledore) so DD never got in on the secret. OTOH Hagrid's
mind is less difficut to fool, I know it seems a bit callous, but
Hagrid could therefore serve the express purpose of being a vessel for
the lie. People see Sirius and Hagrid together, and they know that
Hagrid is a trusted friend, a quick glance in his eyes would tell a
passing legilimens who Hagrid believed the Secret Keeper to be. Which
would unquestionably in Hagrid's mind be Sirius Black. 

So finally, how dd Dumbledore know where to send Hagrid? He didn't.
Hagrid knew where Harry was, and that was enough information for
everybody.

Problem solved IMO.

Valky
 











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