What did Voldemort want from Lily? Was Re: Voldie's Wand and other details

[amiabledorsai]

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>  Amiable Dorsai wrote:
>Hagrid finds a place to hide (Hogwarts?) for a day while Dumbledore
>checks into things, determines that Harry can be protected by his
>mother's sacrifice (How does he know this?  That's bothered me for 
>a while.) and prepares to drop Harry at the Dursleys.
 
> Once it gets dark, he sends a message to Hagrid:  Meet me at number
>four, Privet Drive, Little Whinging, Surrey.
> 
> Saraquel:
> I liked your suggestions Amiable Dorsai, but I'm afraid I'll have to 
> take issue over this one.  If Hagrid was hiding Harry at Hogwarts 
> for the day he would never have flown over Bristol to get to the 
> Dursleys. Hogwarts is due North and Bristol is due West of Surrey.

Amiable Dorsai:
Excellent point.  So Hagrid hides out somewhere else.  See my comment
at the very end of this post.


Saraquel: 
> Another option occured to me about using up time.  We know that 
> Voldemort would have let Lily live.  This to me indicates that her 
> living was desirable in some way to Voldemort.  That she had some 
> skill or knowledge that Voldemort could use.  
> 
> At that point Voldemort was still short of an immortal body (we know 
> that from what he says in GoF rebirthing scene about his search for 
> his immortal body having to wait.)  So does Lily know something of 
> the Philosophers Stone?  Was she working on it with DD and Flamel?

Amiable Dorsai:

I don't know...  The problem as I see it is that if Voldemort wanted
Lily alive *for some reason important to Voldemort*, it seems to me he
would have just stunned her or something.  

Since PoA, I've been nursing a suspicion that Voldy told Peter that he
could have Lily as a reward for his treachery. The offer would have
been important to Peter, but I have no trouble seeing Voldemort renege
on it as soon as it became inconvenient for him.

Since HBP, I've been wondering if Snape fits into this somehow.  An
awful lot of people have suggested that it was Lily's death that Snape
regrets.  Anybody have any ideas?  Any explanation has to account for
the fact that Snape must have been feeding Dumbledore useful
information before Lily and James were murdered.


Saraquel:
> Hence my speculation that Voldemort did not just zap Lily straight 
> away but probably spent quite some time trying to 'persuade' her to 
> work for him.  I can see him settling himself comfortably and toying 
> with her in his sadistic way, and Lily resisting. 
> 
> In doing this, Voldemort deliberately offered her life, which she 
> refused. Was this the thing that made her sacrifice the unique one?

 
Amiable Dorsai: 
I'm beginning to believe this.  I used to think that Lily had set
something up in advance, and that Dumbledore was in on it.  That would
explain how he knew that her sacrifice had been made and could
therefore be used to protect Harry.  

But I'm begining to see it this way: Lily, in effect, offered
Voldemort a magical contract--kill me, let Harry live. That is, she
paid for Harry's life with her own.  When Voldemort killed Lily, he
accepted the contract.  When he then tried to kill Harry, he violated
his "agreement", and paid the penalty.

The problem with this, is: How does Dumbledore know the contract has
been made and violated?  Magic leaves traces, could he some how read
the traces?  Did he deduce it as the only possible explanation for
Harry's survival?  Did he, as some have suggested, Legilemens Harry or
use a Pensieve to sift thruogh his memories? (This has problems.
Dumbledore's conversation with Hagrid at Little Whinging seems to
imply that this is the first time all day that they've had
face-to-face contact.  If so, how could Dumbledore have performed such
intimate magic on Harry, if Hagrid had charge of Harry all day? 
Someone else, Moody perhaps, did the deed?  That has merit.  Maybe
Hagrid hid out at Moody's house.)

Amiable Dorsai