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[zgirnius]

No: HPFGUIDX 140530

 
> Carol wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/140381 :
> 
> << Her seventh year apparently coincides with Sirius's fourth year,
> making her about three years older than he is. Since there's another
> sister, Andromeda, in between Bellatrix and Narcissa, Narcissa is at
> most one year older than Sirius and possibly in the same year as 
> MWPP and Snape.

zgirnius:
Carol, I'm guessing your assumption that Sirius is three years 
younger than Bella is based on his statement that he last saw her 
when he was 15. So you figure he saw her last when he finished his 
4th year at Hogwarts, and she, her 7th. Catlady points out (below) 
that this is problematic based on Tonks' age...

Catlady wrote:
> If Andromeda is at most two years older than Sirius and James and
> Lily, how was she old enough to have a daughter four years out of
> Hogwarts when Harry was 15, in OoP? Andromeda's daughter Tonks was 
the
> young Auror in OoP, in whose "Career Counselling" chapter McGonagall
> said that it had been four years since the Auror department had 
taken
> on any newbie. 
> 
> OoP started in summer of 1995 with Harry turning 15 because he was
> born in July 1980. He still had 3 years of Hogwarts to go (OoP, HBP,
> and the 7th book) so Tonks was at least 7 years older than him (3 of
> Hogwarts, 4 of Aurory, plus possibly up to one year of having been
> born later than the September 1 cut-off for Hogwarts). 15 + 7 = 22,
> and 23 is more likely. Born in September 1972 thru August 1973 (hey,
> same age as the Lexicon says Charlie is). If Sirius & James & Lily
> were born 1959-1960, as seems to be believed nowdays, they were 20
> when Harry was born, and 2-years-older Andromeda was born 1957-1958
> (like me) and was 15 in 1972-3 when Tonks born. I can't believe that
> the sisters weren't born Narcissa, Andromeda, Bellatrix instead of 
the
> opposite order.

zgirnius:
Well, taking your math and Carol's math the birth order certainly 
seems wrong. But we know for sure that Bella is the oldest Black 
sister. Dumbledore says so in the scene of HBP where he explains to 
Harry that he is not sure whether 12 GP will go to Harry or to Bella. 
It would be Bella as the oldest surviving relative of Sirius.

What if Sirius saw Bella well after she graduated Hogwarts? Sure, 
Sirius would not seek her out, but *she* might come to 
school/Hogsmeade herself. If Cissy were in the same year give or take 
one as Sirius, Bella might make such occasional visits to see her, 
and could have run into Sirius during one of them. (It seems 
certainly plausible that the sisters have had a close relationship at 
some point given what we see of their interaction in HBP). This would 
leave a lot more space to fit in Andromeda between Cissy and Bella, 
while letting her wait until after Hogwarts to have her daughter. And 
we can still put Cissy into SLytherin as an approximate contemporary 
of the Marauders and Snape.