[HPforGrownups] UV = DDM?

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 140833

horridporrid03 wrote:



> Betsy Hp:

> 
> Dumbledore is interested in two things, IMO.  One (and I believe
> this is canon) is saving Draco, both morally and physically, from
> Voldemort.  Second is somehow tying the Malfoys to the Order's
> side.  Not necessarily getting the Malfoys to *join* the Order, mind
> you.  Just obligated somehow.

> he gets a chance.  By this time Dumbledore has been injured (I
> believe fatally) and has already planned for Snape to remain only
> one more year at Hogwarts.  (Hence his giving Snape the DADA
> position and his requiring not only a Potions Master but a
> replacement Slytherin head.)  Dumbledore, aware that he's dying,
> incorporates the terms of the Vow into his end game plan.  Snape
> will not only need to be *present* at Dumbledore's death, he must
> have a hand in it.  Snape's life depends on it.  And Dumbledore's
> final plan depends on Snape being alive. 

> Betsy Hp

   Kathy writes:
       In my humble opinion a greater consideration of Dumbledore's 
character and behaviour is in order. There is much information about DD 
which is glossed over and taken at face value with very little "wait a 
minute" being expressed by the list. Consider the fact that both DD and 
Voldemort knew about the prophesy and both were scouring the WW looking 
for the same "one with the power to defeat the dark lord." Voldemort has 
been powerful and dangerous for eleven years already. DD has been 
actively fighting Voldemort and was watching him for decades prior to 
the prophesy. Voldemort intends to kill the child when he is found. DD 
has his own plans for the child when he is found.
       Dumbledore is totally focussed on ridding the WW of Voldemorte. 
He knew that Voldemort would rise again, and he had his weapon close at 
hand. He admits himself that his plan required him not to care about 
Harry. To his credit, he failed in this. To his discredit, he tuned it 
out and proceeded with his plan anyway. He can be as snarky as Snape 
when he feels that Harry is not applying himself to aquiring Slughorn's 
memories. I thought that was terrible, and points out how obsessed DD is 
with defeating Voldemort. He ceased to care about Hogwarts in his 
determination to deactivate horcruxes. He uses Harry as a lure to draw 
out Voldemort, first in PS/SS and again in OotP. I suspect that he had 
Snape teach Harry Occlumency to increase the contact with Voldemort. The 
plan worked, and Voldemort was drawn out to the MoM.
       Dumbledore sacrificed Snape to the DADA curse to bring Slughorn 
back. He needed those memories to determine how many horcruxes he was 
looking for. He also needed Harry to take Potions, not because he cared 
about Harry's future, but because he needed Slughorn under pressure.
       Dumbledore forced Harry to vow that he would pour the potion in 
the cave down his throat if necessary. He told Harry that it wouldn't 
kill him immediately, intimating that it would kill him eventually. He 
did not care about the emotional damage to Harry as long as he obtained 
the horcrux.
       Perhaps the anger and revulsion on Snape's face was an indication 
of how he felt to discover that Dumbledore cared nothing for him either 
other than a tool to do his bidding. By killing Dumbledore, he placed 
himself completely beyond aid, lost his home of fifteen years, all of 
his possessions, whatever respect he had managed to earn, any kind of a 
future, and perhaps the only person he had considered a friend and 
mentor. Sacrificed to Dumbledore's grand plan.
       I don't think that DD cared anything for Draco. I think he was 
just stalling until Snape arrived on the scene. DD would have kept them 
talking as long as possible in the hope of setting Snape into position. 
There was very little time lost once that ocurred. The peaceful look on 
DD's face is an indication to me that he died satisfied that all of the 
chess pieces were in place and obedient to his wishes.
KJ