Political positions of the characters/James reacting to Remus' lycanthropy.
a_svirn
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Mon Apr 3 10:25:40 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 150439
> Alla:
>
<snip>I view it as a canon statement and
> very much IMO supported by James later being an Order member and
dying
> fighting against Voldemort. I mean, sure Sirius uses this
statement as
> an excuse, but I also view it as statement of facts and till I see
> Sirius being proven as a liar anywhere in canon, I will view his
> factual statements ( not , say his evaluational statements of
course)
> as a facts :) Be it "knew more Dark curses...", "Malfoy's
> lapdog", "hated Dark arts" or " Dumbledore thinks you are reformed
but
> I know better".
a_svirn:
Presumption of innocence, I take it? You use it very selectively.
Sirius cannot obviously be considered an independent witness, now
can he? If anyone is biased in the entire series it would be Sirius
Black. Especially where Snape is concerned. And until it is proven
that Snape was guilty in practicing the Dark Arts at school, this is
one crime he's innocent of. Certainly you cannot use the invectives
Sirius hurled at Snape as "factual statements", any more than you
can use "Snivellus".
> Alla:
> And where do you find "Harry did not buy it" in canon. I mean,
Harry
> did not think that it was a good reason to do that to Snape, but
where
> does he say something to the effect " no, I don't think my dad
really
> hated Dark Arts".
a_svirn:
This is not what I meant, though. Harry has no reason to question
his father's adherence to the "cause of the Good" or whatever. When
I said "he didn't buy it" I meant he was mature enough not to accept
it as an excuse.
> Alla:
> I tend to agree with Potioncat . I think James indeed hated Dark
Arts.
> It does not mean that his behaviour towards Snape was not
> reprehensible, sure it was, but I see no reason to doubt it, IMO.
>
a_svirn:
He might or might not have "hated" the Dark Arts while still at
school. It doesn't matter much, though. Some things are simply bad
in themselves. Eating people for instance is bad. Even if they are
as fat as Goering and as full of juice as Bormann. Bullying and
abusing your schoolmates is also bad. Not as bad as eating them,
admittedly, but still pretty bad.
> Alla:
<snip>
sure I
> will take their biases into consideration, but not to such extent
as
> to say that when Sirius reports facts he lies. <snip>
a_svirn:
Then what do you mean by "taking their biases in consideration?"
When Hagrid says that all Slytherins are rotten and evil he does not
lie, that's exactly how he sees them. Sirius also belongs to the
same school of thought, and he deems Snape to be the worst of a bad
lot. Moreover, he believes that he, Sirius, is entitled to meet out
punishments to those who fall short of his exalting standards (self-
righteousness clearly runs in the family). This makes Sirius
unreliable and dangerous, but no, it doesn't make him a liar
precisely.
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