Political positions of the characters/Draco in GoF and Harry in HBP

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> a_svirn:
> And IMO. But "Lucius's lapdog" is the essentially the same thing
> as "Snivellus", that is to say, a rather juvenile insult. <SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, "Malfoy lapdog" IS an insult, but when you take an insulting 
part out of it, you WILL get some factual information from it. What 
information? That Snape is close with Malfoys for the reason 
unknown. You are free to disbelieve such information of course, I 
see no reason to not believe it.

I will take emotions, insults out of Sirius statements toward Snape, 
of course, if there is a factual information left, I believe it. If 
it is not, well... then of course it is not a factual statement.
 
> a_svirn:
> This is your imagination, plain and simple. *Vigilant* teenagers in
> the *middle of war*?!  What I see is a rather peaceful afternoon 
and a
> gang of bullies taking on a most likely victim for no better reason
> than that they are bored. 

Alla:

Okay, if you don't see how their mindsets could be affected by war, 
I really have nothing to say, but agree to disagree. Voldemort is on 
the rise, their families ARE affected, Hogwarts does not exist in 
the vacuum, IMO.

a_svirn:
And Sirius's excuse is not only lame; it is
> also hypocritical, because he tries to present their bullying as a
> sort of a holy crusade for the cause of the Good. Which is most
> certainly *not* true.

Alla:

It is NOT an excuse for bullying, it is not, it is not, it is not. I 
really don't know how to make myself any clearer, sorry. :-)

It IS a possible explanation of their mutual hatred though.

Oh, and certainly I won't argue that Sirius acted hypocritically 
either.

What I do disagree with you quite strongly is that hatred of Dark 
Arts played no part in their relationships. I think it did play a 
very big one.

> Valky:
SNIP
Perhaps you will need to
> reread the GOF chapter entitled Padfoot Returns in which Sirius 
makes
> a conclusive statement that not only were they a. in the midst of a
> world war, but also b. shock, horror, gasp!! ;) they were 
profoundly
> affected by it.
> 
> <g>
>

Alla:

Yes, Valky - me too.

Magpie:
<HUGE SNIP>
 I have no problem believing that James hated the Dark Arts, that 
> Snape practiced them even as a kid, that James wanted to fight 
Voldemort 
> when he got out of school.  I still think he's just picking on a 
convenient 
> target in the scene, and perhaps in the long run making things 
worse for 
> himself and his side in the war.


Alla:

Honestly, this is ALL I am asking for. I may waver as to whether 
Snape in general was a convenient target or target for revenge or 
something, but your interpretation I have NO problems with, I see 
where you are coming from and sort of agree with you, but I am just 
very puzzled of the absolute confidence that James did not REALLY 
hated Dark Arts and that Sirius cooked it up.

> katssirius
> All the arguments to justify attacking Draco at the end of GOF can 
be used
> to make it perfectly fine to attack Harry on the train ride to 
school in
> HBP.  <SNIP>

Alla:

Erm... Yes, absolutely. The situation in HBP is  the mirror of what 
happened in GoF. Harry had no business in Draco's compartment, none.

JMO,

Alla