[HPforGrownups] Re: R.A.B
puduhepa98 at aol.com
puduhepa98 at aol.com
Thu Apr 6 04:13:04 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 150602
Carol responds:
Evidently you didn't go back to the post I linked to, which provides
possible (and IMO plausible) answers to most of those questions.
In my scenario, Regulus wouldn't need to be a powerful wizard:
Bellatrix had already found the cave and the boat based on LV's
descriptions, and Kreacher accompanied her, so he also knew how to
enter the cave and summon the boat. <snip>After Regulus replaced the Horcrux
with a similar locket, the bowl,
not knowing the difference, would refill itself.
Nikkalmati:
Yes, Carol I read the previous messages on this topic. I didn't mean to
imply that there is anything wrong with your hypotheses, just to offer an
alternative. :-). I do like having Bella plant the necklace in the cave, because
that allows me to postulate a switching point. If Bella brought the necklace
to the Black family home after LV gave it to her, RAB had the chance to find
out the plan from Bella and open the bag or box she brought it in and switch
the LV necklace with another similar necklace. Bella would not open the bag
until she was in the darkness of the cave and might well not notice the
difference. ( Harry did not notice any problem with the necklace even though he
must have stared at it a dozen times while he was dipping the potion; however,
when he looked at it at Hogwarts he immediately noticed it was not the same
as the one he saw in the pensive.) We both have the problem of where the
necklace was between the time LV recovered it from B&B and the plan to place it
in the cave circa 1980.
I don't think Bella had any reason to take Kreacher with her. I'm sure
she thought she could do everything herself by just following LV's directions.
When she reached the island she would set up the basin, put in the necklace
she took out of the bag, and pour in the potion or say the spell that would
fill the bowl. That is a good suggestion that the bowl was spelled to refill
itself, if it was emptied and another necklace placed in it. However, I
don't understand why LV would set it up that way. Once somebody has taken the
Horcrux out, there is not much need for the potion. Wouldn't it make more
sense for the bowl to be spelled to refill itself every time someone dipped out
a bit, so that no one could get to the bottom? And I am not sure there is
any basis for speculating that the metabolism of a House Elf is so different
from a human's that it would not be poisoned by the green stuff, even if
Kreacher came with Bella, showed RAB how to get to the island and drank the
potion for RAB and never told anyone about it. I also don't think the problem
with the boat is just a matter of finding where it is. I think only a powerful
wizard could raise it up and use it. As you say RAB was barely fully
qualified. My theory just seems simpler to me.
I know it is canon that LV did not know the diary had been destroyed until
he was told. However, I presumed DD's statement about the potion not killing
immediately so LV could find out how the perpetrator had gotten through his
defenses must mean something. The cave is a very elaborate system of
protection. If the potion did not kill at once, LV must have some way of finding the
thief to identify him and question him. If RAB and Kreacher came to the
cave and got away, then, of course, there is no method of detecting intrusion.
Once we know RAB was an opponent of LV, we can imagine lots of ways he could
have been done in. I agree that some of the DE's knew about the Horcrux (but
not haw many), because LV chides them in the graveyard about not searching
for him even though they knew he had taken measures to preserve his life.
Nikkalmati
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