Mothers in HP

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 150694

Keeley wrote:

>I think that you've got Lily's and Barty's mother's sacrifices
>mixed up. I would argue that Lily died in place of her son and that
>Barty Crouch's mum died to save him. Other than that I think you're
>right about the theme.

Tonks:
Hum... will ponder that. Guess I was thinking of The Dark Lord as 
death and Lily saving Harry from death. And Barty Jr. the sinner and 
his mother dying instead of him. Of course part of the theme I am 
seeing in all of this is the theme of the crucifixion. That is 
erasing death and dying in our place. But I think that there is more 
to it than that.


"katssirius" wrote:
>
> There has been a great discussion on this site about the portrayal 
> (unfortunate portrayal) of women by JKR.  I do not mean to 
resurrect that discussion however for those same reasons I believe 
in JKR's books girls will not be worth dying for which is why we do 
not have the sacrifice of a mother for a daughter or a father for a 
daughter.  It is interesting to note that even in the Woes of Mrs 
Weasley Ginny was not represented by the boggart.


Tonks:

I guess I missed that discussion, but that wasn't what I was 
thinking about. I mean why mother's and sons? Mothers dying I guess 
could be some subconscious thing for JKR because of her own mother. 
Maybe she has to kill them off in different ways for some cathartic 
release. I know that writers are human and they can't help have some 
of their own issues enter into their writing.  But even so, I really 
think that there is more to it than that.  But what?  I think that 
this theme is intended, that is not just accidental or 
subconscious.  The question is what is she telling us about the 
plot? Where is she going with this?

And I totally missed the part about Ginny. Do you think that means 
that Ginny will be the one to die?

Tonks_op