[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Potter: A Horcrux

[Kathryn Jones]

No: HPFGUIDX 150839

latha279 wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "deepthi_b1" <deepthi_b1 at ...>
> wrote:
>  ><SNIP>
>  >
>  > Also the horcrux had to be Gryffindor's. <SNIPPED the rest too>
>  >"deepthi_b1"
>  >
> 
> Brady:

> I (as Steve also has pointed out before) DO NOT agree that Harry or his
> scar are the horcrux. Deepthi - will you please explain why Voldy is
> keen to kill Harry if he has made Harry a horcrux? Agreed Harry may not
> kill himself (wouldn't that amount to suicide? And I don't think Harry
> is cowardly enough to do that), but would Voldy himself want to destroy
> his own horcrux that he has so painstakingly created? I think not.
> Voldy may come across as a very underestimating guy, but he is
> definitely not a fool.

KJ writes:

    While this is a good point on the surface, JKR has stressed on 
several occasions that the effect of the protection given by Lily had 
never happened before, ever. The effects could not be known, guessed at, 
or suspected, and therefore may not follow rules of logic. The fact is 
that Harry has some part of Voldemorte in him that was put there 
inadvertently. This is canon. It was particularly pointed out that 
Voldemorte did not do anything specifically to cause this particular 
happening.  What he wanted was a dead Harry. Voldemorte would also have 
no way of knowing that Harry might possess a shard of his soul. He would 
have nothing in mind other than Hary's destruction.

Brady
> Secondly, as JKR herself said, a horcrux is not something that will
> attract attention towards itself (like the sorting hat), so it is mor
> elikely like the cup of hufflepuff and the locket that wouldn't open in
> GP. Also like the cursed necklace in B&B's that no one would touch. It
> makes sense to protect the necklace with a curse just like the ring
> was. So, Harry who is always getting into adventures that may see him
> dead and ALWAYS in the limelight, would definitely not be a horcrux.

KJ:
JKR also pointed out that using a living being as a horcrux was not a 
wise thing to do. Creatures with free will are not to be counted on to 
be there when needed. Harry could be killed at any time, and if he ended 
up as the last part of Voldemorte's soul, his life expectancy is going 
to be very poor indeed. The necklace is also a very good choice, but I 
do not see it as having quite the effect on the plot-line as Harry "the 
accidental horcrux" would.

Brady
> Thirdly, why would Harry suffer mortal agony when Voldy possessed him
> briefly in the MoM? If he were a horcrux, he should have definitely
> been comfortable being in close proximity with another part of voldy
> inside him. Is he already has one piece of Voldy in him and lives in
> relative peace, another piece would do him no harm either. Right?

KJ:

    This is also a good point but I believe that it could be explained 
by the fact that there was no spell to actually construct a horcrux. 
Nothing in canon says that any of the soul pieces, once severed would be 
comfortable with each other.  In fact, if each piece was able, like the 
diary, to completely take over another person, causing more than one 
Voldemorte to exist simultaneously, they would need to kill each other. 
Only one Voldemorte can be dominant. It could also be explained by the 
protections given him by Lily and by the kindness of his own nature, 
that it is extremely painful for both of them to be that conjoined. We 
have seen, in fact, that Voldemorte can not possess Harry. We have not 
been shown that Harry would be unable to possess Voldemorte. His own 
soul is whole and more powerful. I don't know if I would care for that 
ending to the book, but I do see it as an open loophole, and maybe the 
only way that Harry could remain alive at the end of Book 7.

   We also see Harry destroy the diary horcrux without injury. This 
could be because there were no protections in place, but it could also 
mean that Harry is protected by having a piece of Voldy within him. We 
won't know about this until we see Harry actually destroy a protect 
horcrux like the locket or cup. Perhaps that is what gives Harry " the 
power the Dark Lord knows not" and the power to vanquish Voldy.

   It is an interesting question that will keep us all arguing until the 
next book.

KJ