A Horcrux Twist: Who Got What From Whom? (WAS Re: [HPforGrownups] Living Beings as Horcruxes)

[rebecca]

No: HPFGUIDX 150868

> Elisabet:
>
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> But what if *Snape* was the one that found and retrieved the stray bit
> of Voldemort's soul? Having already turned to the good side, what
> would he have done? Destroyed it, I think, perhaps turning it over to
> Dumbledore, perhaps taking care of it himself. Or, perhaps, per
> Peggy's theory, instead of destroying it, volunteering to house it for
> a while. (I can't see DD agreeing to this, actually, Snape would have
> to do that to himself.) LV would not have counted that missing part as
> a horcrux, so that could explain why DD did not mention it to Harry.
> Still.
>
<snip>.
>
> So the possible course of events:
>
> - Snape turns against LV but remains undercover as a spy
> - LV decides to attack the Potters; Snape either comes along with him,
> or having found out is right behind
> - LV rips his soul murdering the Potters and is then vaporised,
> leaving the torn bit(s) floating around. LV's soul does not stick
> around the vicinity, so he does not witness what happens next
> - Snape retrieves and/or destroys the voldybits
> - DD is informed (if he was not already involved) and as a safeguard
> the memories - Snape's and DD's - are removed to long-term storage.
> - Now whenever DD is asked why he trusts Snape, he really *can't* say
> why, just that he knows he trusts him.
>
> So what do y'all think? Possible?
>
 Rebecca:

It's been speculated that DD has removed his memory of the "why trust Snape"
and kept it locked up for safekeeping, therefore he answers Harry the only
way he can. Other reasons he'd keep it locked up run the gamut, including
such possibilities as Snape and Dumbledore being related. (Ooo, snuck that
one in on you all, speculation of course.)

However, I think the "why trust Snape thing" has more to do with Snape
feeling his actions provoked Harry as being the orphan left behind.
Personally, I think JKR gave major hints in CoS about Harry's acquisition of
Lord Voldemort's soul inadvertently as opposed to the possession Ginny
almost experienced.  I don't think I can ignore these things and not come to
the conclusion that like it or not, Harry's probably got a bit of Dark Lord
soul or something in him. But I could be wrong and there's hope so read
on...

So here's the twist: what if a part of Harry made it into Lord Voldemort
that fateful night in GH before all of this happened?  I mean, sure, we know
some portion according to DD of Voldemort Harry acquired, but really, no one
has ever asked if or what Lord Voldemort acquired something from Harry?
All we hear is what happened to Harry and what he got; other than Voldemort 
being
stripped of his powers, wouldn't it stand to reason he might have gotten
something from Harry in return? LV's words:

"Aaah . . . pain beyond pain, my friends; nothing could have prepared me for
it.  I was ripped from my body, I was less than spirit, less than the
meanest ghost. . . but still, I was alive.  What I was, even I do not
know... "

Dumbledore says in OoP that Voldemort couldn't possess Harry without
enduring "mortal agony" to himself. Sound familiar with the above passage?
One could speculate that Harry doesn't feel any pain when unwittingly inside
Voldemort's head early on in GoF because *he's already there.*  I also keep
coming back to the blood Harry unwillingingly gave Voldemort that night in
the graveyard:

"My father's bone, naturally, meant that we would have to come here, where
he was buried. But the blood of a foe ... Wormtail would have had me use any
wizard, would you not, Wormtail?  Any wizard who had hated me ... as so many
of them still do.  But I knew the one I must use, if I was to rise again,
more powerful than I had been when I had fallen. I wanted Harry Potters
blood.  I wanted the blood of the one who had stripped me of power thirteen
years ago . . . for the lingering protection his mother once gave him would
then reside in my veins too."

So very interesting, this passage.  Other than "why would Voldemort the
Omnipotent want/need protection?', we can also speculate that with Harry's
abilities to be inside Voldemort's head unscathed when the mere Dark Lord's
possession of Harry in OoP leaves Voldemort in agony..... well, something is
amiss, isn't it?  And remember, Harry could see inside the Dark Lord's head
 before the graveyard and the taking of his blood for Voldemort's
rebirthing.

Where's the blood come in? Blood itself is long believed to be a strong,
religiously or magically powerful thing, even symbolic of the soul
throughout the ages. Way back when, soldiers believed (as LV does) that to
take the blood of an enemy into yourself meant that you acquired the power
of the foe you defeated - however, they also cautioned each other that you
could also get the foe's weaknesses, too. Harry's fear as defined in PoA
explicitly is, as Lupin states, fear of fear itself.

So if we go with all of the aformentioned for argument's sake, Lord
Voldemort is going to not only fear "fear", he's also going to fear death.
Woo.  Sounds like He_Who_Must_Not_Be_Named could  be
He_Who_Doesn't_Want_To_Leave_The_House.

There's your gleam of triumph flashing though DD's eyes, IMO.  If there's
part of Harry in Voldemort, one
might come to the conclusion that Voldemort underestimated taking Harry's
blood  in GoF, thereby strengthening what Voldemort got from Harry in GH and
DD suspected such. It could ultimately be a deciding factor in Lord
Voldythingy's downfall.

rebecca, who thinks this is all speculation but fun nonetheless