[HPforGrownups] Re: Is Harry a Murderer / Killer!! ?? !! Yeah or Nah??

[Joe Goodwin]

No: HPFGUIDX 151366



>LaurelLei
>>And what about Draco in the bathroom and the  sectasempra spell...? The 
spell for enemies... the spell that Snape  "reversed"... had Snape not 
arrived and known what to do (because he was the  "Prince" and possible 
author)...???? Would Harry then have become a murderer  if Draco had 
died? Isn't what he did attempted murder?<snip>

Nikkalmati:
Now we come to the real leap into darkness for Harry.  He already at  the 
opening feast wished for another death this year (meaning the new DADA  teacher, 
Snape). I found that shocking in Harry and a sign of his slide  downhill.  At 
the end of the book, he commits an act that could be charged  as first degree 
murder.  I don't see this act as self-defense, but  escalation.
   
  Joe:Escalation? Draco attempted to use an Unforgivable on Harry. How do you escalate from one of the three curses deemed Unforgivable?
   
   
   
   Nikkalmati: (by the way 
why didn't Harry say something like "what's the  matter? or can I help you? 
when he saw Draco in distress). Draco attacked  first,  but only with regular 
hexes.  Harry responded in kind.   Draco tried Crucio and Harry hit him with 
sectasempra.  Now we know that  the effect of a spell in PV depends on the intent 
and strength of will behind  it.  Harry split Draco open and nearly killed 
him.  He probably  in a Muggle court would be allowed to plead to involuntary 
manslaughter, but the  initial charge would be murder, if Draco died, and it was 
only by good luck that  he did not and probably Snape too because of the  UV.  
   
  Joe: Sorry but once Draco used Crucio he in effect drew a deadly weapon. No court in the land would convict someone of defending themselves from something like what Draco tried, none.

LaurelLei:
>>but I found it very difficult to  
explain to my sons that if he were to harm another like Harry did to  
Draco or the others that they wouldn't "just get  detentions". 


Nikkalmati:I certainly agree there is a problem here.  Harry shows some  immediate 
remorse, but it doesn't last long.  Does he ever go to see Draco  in the infirmary? 
Does he even ask how he is doing?  Just a touch of  concern could have made 
a difference to Draco or show real remorse.   Instead he is soon complaining 
about what appears to be a very mild  detention for what he did.  Does it 
really matter that he misses  Quiddich when Draco could have died?  Has Snape given 
up on anyone  giving Harry any proper punishment?  Did he even report Harry 
to Minerva or  DD?  Does he know events are too near the climax to suspend or 
expel  Harry?  I don't believe SS is afraid of DD finding out about the book or 
the spell he created.  Surely, DD knows a lot worse things about SS by now  
and SS can't be held liable for losing a book. The detention SS does give has  
the potentially beneficial effect of showing Harry "you don't want to be like 
this; you can't afford to be like this; the WW can't afford for you to be 
this  childish; grow up Harry."  Of course, he could just be showing Harry why 
he  disliked James and Sirius so much too <g>. JMO

   
  Joe: Harry shows far more remorse for Draco than is even warranted. As you mentioned Harry sees an enemy in distress so he asks if he is 'okay'. Draco tries to hex Harry and they trade "normal' hexes until Drace escalating the conflict again tries to use a Unforgivable.
   
  So Draco shoots first, then escalates then level of curses to the Unforgivable level and you think HARRY should be the one to feel remorse? If Draco had died he would have only had him self to blame. HE started the fight, he escalated the fight, period. 
   
  Come on now, the reason Snape doesn't make a big deal of it is pretty clear. He knows Harry and he knows Draco after five years and some change. He is pretty clear who is at fault when he sees what happened which is why he doesn't make problems for Harry. If he had and it had been looked into Draco would be on the way to join dad and people would be talking about how "The Boy who Lived" beat another "evil Unforgivable" using Slytherin. He might also have been a bit scared because if Harry had killed Draco then the Unbreakable vow might have some back to bite him.
   
  Now I would like to mention that if Harry had killed Draco DD would still be alive and Bill Weasley wouldn't be scared for life.
   
  Joe














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