[HPforGrownups] Re: SHIP Ron/ Hermione /Golpalott's Third Law

[silmariel]

No: HPFGUIDX 151485


Silmariel:
I'll try to keep it short - difficult when replying to you, but I'll cross my 
fingers and start. Also, don't have much to disagree to.

<snips a lot of interesting material>

Shaun:
> Her perfectionism is most
> definitely one of them, her obsession with school work beyond what seems to
> be necessary for high performance being an expression of that. And it is
> the type of issue I have to address reasonably often, because it's not
> exactly an uncommon problem.
>
> And, yes, I suffered from it myself.
>
> I'm 31 -

Silmariel:
Me too, to both points. It's a long way learning to control it.

> > Shaun:
> > > No, Hermione is not in a special school for gifted children.
> > > But she's doing eleven OWLs when it seems it is normal to do nine.
> >
> > Silmariel:
> > So? That's not remarkable. Oh, sorry, it is, just not amazing, in my
> > book. See the Weasleys records.
>
> Shaun:
>
> I'm not sure if it's remarkable or amazing - I just think it might be. (-8
>
> The trouble with assessing this is that we don't know exactly how the
> educational and qualifications of the Wizarding World work - and in the
> real world, depending on the model of education used, this may or may not
> be remarkable.

Silmariel:
Tsk, tsk, I don't know, but both Bill and Percy got 12 OWLs, one more than her 
- and I'd like to know Snape, Dumbledore and Riddle academic records, really.  
Hermione in HBP worried me a bit.

Shaun:
> When I was at school, in the standard education system I was in, it really
> was truly remarkable to be doing extra subjects. 

Silmariel:
Oh, I was just commenting that the load of two subjects more shouldn't be an 
amazing burden as Bill and Percy shows, not on the attention the school paid 
to her, I think it suffices the Time Turner year to show Hermione is being 
given extraordinary treatment - it's obvious the school staff praises her as 
a star student. I just had to look past characters opinions - as in the case 
of Ginny, the fact that everyone praises her is a thing, and actual scenes 
are another.

Shaun:
> My point is that we don't know how common this is. We've no way of knowing.
> Maybe 1 in 10 students do it. Maybe 1 in 100 do it. Maybe 1 in 1000
> overall?

Silmariel:
Hum, this leads to an interesting point. How many gifted adults she's going to 
have the chance to meet in the very small, very isolated ww? Frustrating?

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> > Shaun:
> > > Hermione works to her potential. Not to the potential expected of a
> > > student of her age.
> >
> > Silmariel:
> > But a quite academic potential, sadly.
>
> Shaun:
>
> I'm not sure I'd call it sad. What counts to me is whether Hermione herself
> is happy. When a kid is like this and it leads to them missing out on other
> opportunities that they would like to have, that's sad. But if academics
> are the child's hobby and source of pleasure - then in my view, they are as
> valid as any other hobbies.
>
> Percy, to me, comes across as rather sad. Hermione doesn't.

Silmariel:
No? In HBP, I see her so internally angry and conflicted, so trying to be 
controlled and failing. She comes to me as unhappy, but I have to say it's 
only a gut feeling.

Shaun:
> But whether they are 'sad' or not - I'd need to wait and see what she had
> to say about them.

Yes, if I perceived with less issues, I wouldn't consider it sad. I don't know 
if we'll ever see expressed her pov on the matter - she's not Harry, her 
detatchment from her parents is not even commented, just stablished as a 
matter of fact. The 'wait' part brings another point - being muggleborn and 
having so a poor net in the ww, she "needs" her marks to fit in it as an 
adult, that's a thing I think runs subconsciosly in Hermione. (if this last 
phrase doesn't make sense, it means I'm reached my English skill limit, 
sorry).

But she's been also so good at creating enemies, I'd be more worried that she 
isn't going to survive.

Silmariel