[HPforGrownups] Re: Something Suspicious about Severus (was :Requiescat in Pace, My Dark Phoenix)

[catherine higgins]

No: HPFGUIDX 151542

  > >   Catherine:
>   Well, in a way he (Snape) had a hand in James' and Lily's deaths, 
being the one who yold Voldemort about the prophesy.>    

   
  Brady answered:
I don't agree this point. Steve and I have given enough explaination 
on this and said that Snape is not as culpable for the Potters' 
deaths as Peter Pettigrew. Snape had no idea that it would be the 
Potters' who will be affected. If only the first part of the prophecy 
was *conveyed* to LV (i assume this sonveying part, because if 
Trelawney knew that somebody eavesdropped that night, it means she 
was out of her trance AND that means the prophecy was over. That also 
means that Snape knew everything the prophecy said. This indicates 
that it was around that time that Snape agreed to be DD's spy in LVs 
camp.), then Snape was already doing his double agent thing. All the 
more reason to not believe the circumstances given by DD for Snape's repentence. 

   
  Catherine replies:
   
  I said that I believe that Snape had a part in the Potter's deaths, not the only cause, nor even the major cause, but he did play a part. As did Peter Pettigrew (who we weren't discussing  at the time) and Voldemort of course.  If we go back to my analogy to add Peter, then Snape would be the vector, Peter would be the portal of entry and Voldemort would still be the lethal virus. 
   
  I have to disagree with you however on Snape knowing the full content of the Prophesy. Fisrt of all, if like you say, Snape heard the whole thing and only told Voldemort the first part because he was already working for DD....what gain is in it for DD for VM to know even a tiny bit of the prophesy? DD is too smart a man to allow such a tidbit of information fall into Voldemort's hands and not expect Voldemort to do something about it. I think that's being awfully blasé with the lives of Harry and/or Neville. I just can't fathom DD agreeing to this at all, as he explains to Harry, evil oppressors are always on the lookout for the one who will  stand up against them. Why give him clues to the whereabouts of this child? It doesn't make any sense. 
   
  Secondly, in the broomshed, DD says that the only two people who know the full contents of the prophesy are standing in the spidery, smelly broomshed. I believe him when he says this, he has no more time to hide the truth from Harry. (He does conceal Snape's part in it, but I think that was to protect Snape, and not Harry). I have not seen any canon to even make me think that Snape is a spider animagus, if JKR does that, it would be completely pulling it out of the blue. So unless Snape can transfigure himself into a broom, DD is saying that he and Harry are the only ones completely aware of the prophesy.
   
  Lastly, if you read the prophesy, the fisrt and the last lines are almost identical: "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches....born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies....." and " ...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies...."  So it's possible that he actually only heard the end of the prophesy, which was pretty much like the beginning. Granted DD says on several occasions that it was the beginning that was overheard. Even still, there are many "..." written into the prophesy, do we really know how much time elapsed between each part of the sentence. Could Snape have interrupted the trance, and DD "edited" his memory to put in the pensieve? He could have altered Trelawny's memory, she could have lapsed in and out of the trance. Many possibilities can explain her memory of Snape's intrusion, and not the prophesy.  HBP is the story of DD telling Harry *everything*, and if
 the person who overheard the prophesy really overheard the whole thing, who still has contact with Voldemort. Wouldn't that be a liability? Voldemort can torture the information out of Snape if he had the whole thing. Voldemort wants to hear the prophesy so badly, as good an occlumens that Snape is, I really don't think he could keep such important information from him. If Voldemort had even the teensiest bit of doubt that Snape knew more of the prophesy than he had previously let on, do you really think Snape would be around for book 7?
   
  jmo,
  Catherine

				
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