Could I be wrong about Snape being evil?
Ceridwen
ceridwennight at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 5 18:41:35 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 156551
Eggplant:
> Salman Rushdie a man I very much respect told JKR that he thought
Snape was good...
*(snip)*
But if she really did say "Your opinion, I would say, is right" does
that prove Snape is good? Well, maybe not 100% proof, but for me to
continue to insist the man is evil I'd have to do what I've accused
others of doing and engage in mental back flips and contortions. The
fact that a man like Salman Rushdie does not think the idea of a good
Snape is ridiculous also makes me rethink my position.
Ceridwen:
I often disagree with your position concerning Snape, as you may or
may not have noticed. I am very impressed at what you wrote above!
I don't know if I would be able to come on list and say anything so
forthright. For me it might sound more like: "I think that
Snooooeee.... Snuuuuuuup... Duh-hee..." as my tongue wound firmly
around my teeth.
If it's any consolation, the other thread about Rushdie's comments
might offer hope in the debate about what was said, what was
understood, and what was meant. Upon first reading, I took it the
way you did as well. But I also agree with the arguments that
Snape's ambiguity is important to the story line and it would be a
very unsettling thing to force an outright admission out of JKR.
Eggplant:
> I'm just thinking out loud here but what if not Harry but Dumbledore
had inadvertently become a Horcrux, perhaps when he got that withered
arm?
Ceridwen:
I wondered about that, too. The dead arm portion, at least, if not
the entire body. We do know that Voldemort's core soul possessing
animals during his exile after GH tended to kill them. Snape's
intervention before HBP begins could have been merely to contain the
soul piece and the death which was occurring to the part already
damaged. That the arm didn't heal all year was surprising in a world
where bones are re-grown overnight and major injuries are dispelled
with the wave of a wand or the sip of a potion.
Part of my reasoning was that a soul piece would try to go into a
nearby warm, living body if it was released from its container. This
would be how LV would reclaim it if necessary, I reasoned. This
would also be an argument for a Horcrux!Harry or a Horcrux!Ginny,
since Harry destroyed the Horcrux!Diary and they were the only two
warm bodies there (though Ginny was nearly drained of life force at
this point).
I really wish we had gotten the entire story!
Another possibility that I kicked around, but which would necessitate
legilimency between Snape and Dumbledore on the tower, was that the
potion in the cave was part of an Inferus-making potion which was
activated by the water from the lake. Problem: Harry splashed water
on Dumbledore's face, but we don't know if any of it went into his
mouth. Possible support: Harry had to use a rousing spell twice to
bring Dumbledore around. Ambiguity again.
Eggplant:
*(snip)*
> I won't pretend this theory has no holes in it; for one thing it's
not very compatible with the hatred etched into the harsh lines of
Snape's face when he killed Dumbledore. And for another it's very
hard to understand why Dumbledore didn't tell Harry what was going
on, if not before the killing then immediately after in a letter or
something. As it is Harry's titanic hatred of Snape is going to
distract him from his primary duty of killing Voldemort, and poor
Snape will have enough problems without Harry swearing a lifetime
vendetta against him. Oh well, I said I was just thinking out loud.
Ceridwen:
If Snape was forced to do something as eternally horrible as you
outlined, which would replace the name of Judas with the name of
Snape, that could explain his expression of hatred and disgust. It
wouldn't be hatred toward DD, but toward circumstances which forced
him into that position. Any hatred he felt, though, for whatever
reason, would certainly be channelled into the AK.
As for a message from DD, one could still be forthcoming, to be
released when it was necessary for the storyline in book 7. Sirius's
will wasn't found until after the schoolyear was over with, I presume
everything was tied up until after he was legally declared dead. In
real life, wills and bequests aren't always given out until after the
funeral. We might get some startling news in book 7. That, however,
is currently speculation based on Sirius's will not being revealed
until the book after the one in which he died.
The whole thing is, we just don't know at this point. We don't know
how Horcruxes are created and how they behave after that; we don't
know the spell to create Inferi or if they could also be created by a
potion; we don't know if Snape was in on where DD took Harry that
night and what might happen in the cave, or even if Snape was in on
the Horcruxes at all (though if DD didn't officially tell him, he may
have had an idea after saving DD's hand). JKR has written all of
this well enough that we believe in Horcruxes and Inferi as part of
the Potterverse while we don't know enough about them to really
discuss them without speculation. She's also done a superb job in
hiding Snape's true allegiance. That a man like Salman Rushdie
believes in DDM!Snape is a testimony to this effective ambiguity, I
think.
Ceridwen.
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